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More bad news for the environment (CFC gases)

Discussion in 'off topic' started by NeilR, May 17, 2018.

  1. NeilR

    NeilR pfm Member

    Last edited: May 17, 2018
  2. Still

    Still cadet


    Dedication from the book of life (aka Drunken Baker)
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  3. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    That's not good news.

    CFCs are also potent greenhouse gases — in fact, hundred to thousands of times more potent than CO2 per molecule — but thankfully their concentration is very low. Problem is, their replacement — HFCs — are also potent greenhouse gases, but at least those chlorine-free refrigerants don't poke holes in the Earth's deflector shield.

  4. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    It might not be new gas. Scrapping old fridges and air cons will release it
  5. Still

    Still cadet

    iiuc it's the 'sharp rise' that indicates new production.
  6. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart pfm Member

    I'll be polite and say that certain countries really don't care about rules on the disposal of refrigerants or even the servicing of systems using them. It's no surprise at all.
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  7. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    I can't see why there would be major new production. There may be some small scale production for old car air conditioning, but that is about it.
  8. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

  9. misterdog

    misterdog Not the canine kind

    Could it be that developing countries care less about the environment than providing fridges for their populations.
    When we stopped using CFC's who ended up the all the old plant used to manufacture it ?
  10. Still

    Still cadet

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  11. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    Fridges and air conditioners in SE Asia are made by big companies and meet standards, so I don't think so.
  12. misterdog

    misterdog Not the canine kind

    For export markets for sure,however in the more price sensitive home markets where half the population own no fridge ?

    I may think otherwise.

    The owner of the company who supply us with laquer told me that when the use of pre-catalysed lacquer was phased out due to environmental concerns that the chinese had purchsed all the plant that produced said product.
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  13. peter bj

    peter bj pfm Member

    All the governments seem to be going round in circles with air pollution , one thing is bad so then onto another which is suddenly bad and the new scapegoat , utterly clueless
    As others have mentioned other countries then snap up the old tech and use it where regs do not apply
  14. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    It's a bit of an inconclusive report (with regard to source) because of the air currents at play but it 'looks like' somewhere in the far east. It won't be japan, (who care) nor S Korea, but China is a big place and prone to paying lip service and I'm not entirely convinced about India's dedication to the environment vs capital income to be gained...My interest tho is in the actual source. No-one seems to know what the CFCs can be being used for? Unless there is home production of freezers/fridges by unscrupulous local companies? I really don't see the giants risking world approbation by making cheap CFC models for a certain market.
  15. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    That is why I suspect scrapping/waste as places like the UK have been quietly shipping all manner of rubbish to anywhere it can be offloaded.
  16. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    But in enough quantiy to make that noteable an impact? That much change? It would have to be HUGE...millions of units at a guess.
  17. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart pfm Member

    Itll depend on where in the world you happen to reside. In the UK, a company called Sims Recycling Solutions operates two of the world’s most advanced fridge recycling plants, including the largest in the world, capable of recycling 1 million refrigerators each year. Based in Newport, Wales and Billingham, County Durham, they provide a national service to producer compliance schemes, retailers and businesses.

    That's one million per year, just in the U.K. I can't imagine the worldwide numbers.
  18. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    Most of the world does not recover gas when repairing or scrapping fridges and air cons
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  19. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    I see. Blimey.
  20. misterdog

    misterdog Not the canine kind

    Those living in Africa/Asia who live on 2 bowls of rice per week and have never had a fridge care little what refrigerant is used.

    Around 60% of the electricity in China is produced from coal..

    The trouble is we take so much for granted we have little idea of how the rest of the world lives.
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