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Discussion in 'off topic' started by Mullardman, Apr 3, 2014.

  1. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Daughter stole my Grande Punto Sporting and gave me her old 1.2 16v Sporting (03 Reg) to dispose of.

    For various reasons it got left on my drive for over a year.

    Just fitted new battery, cleaned up etc., for prospective buyer. Ran it up to temp and made sure fan kicked in etc.

    Everything working.

    Drove fine for about 7 miles to MOT station. All OK except for emissions. Chap ran it for a good while. Started getting hot, misfiring running very rich, blowing black smoke and going off the scale for CO etc. Mech said '"it's pouring fuel in."

    Then it boiled over.

    MOT chap sorted it with water, took it for a little spin and then tried emissions again but it still failed. He recommended oil and filter change and blast up the M way to clear the Catalytic Converter before a re-test, but that doesn't tell me why it overheated in the first place.

    As I drove it home, had Engine Management warning light and the thing seemed to now be running very cool. Temp gauge was moving about a lot but going below a quarter a lot of the time. Got home OK and engine showed no signs of overheating.

    Daughter can't remember where the temp gauge usually sat, but a little research seems to point to a quarter way up being normal when running for the 16v engine, so maybe not much of a clue.

    First port of call tomorrow is somewhere to get the warning light/fault codes read.

    Thermostat?

    Some sort of faulty engine management sensor?

    Any ideas welcomed. I want rid of the thing but I don't want to sell a 'duffer' to daughter's friend.

    Mull
     
  2. RustyB

    RustyB Registered Ginga

    If it hadn't been run for a while maybe the tht was stuck shut?
     
  3. steveledzep

    steveledzep pfm Member

  4. Rasher

    Rasher Quadrophenia land

    Mull - with all due respect, all joking aside, and all things being equal - you really do buy some crap cars.
    Knowwhatimean?
     
  5. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    But surely if this was the case, the fan would not have started up yesterday. (Weds)? AIUI engine thermostat opens and brings the radiator into the cooling circuit, which is enough when moving. But if stationary, the rad will eventually get hot enough to trigger the fan.

    Mull
     
  6. James

    James Lord of the Erg\o/s

    I suspect a duff air/fuel sensor, hence the check engine light and rich running.

    You'll need a code reader ...
     
  7. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Not really...

    This car gave no trouble while she had it, but it has been idle for over 12 months and has shown 1(One) fault on being resurrected.

    Wife's car had a single failed plug lead, but just one that was difficult to detect.

    My old red GP had a buggered rear caliper.

    3 cars, owned for a total of 21 years and 3 faults. Average.. 1 fault per 7 years. Hardly catastrophic.

    Mull
     
  8. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Sounds reasonable, but would prolly have to be an intermittent fault, or maybe dependent on some other condition as it seems to have come and gone (at least the overheating has). I'm very wary of the false trails these ECU controlled sensor loaded systems can create!

    As above. First port of call tomorrow. Hoping not to need any car tools for much longer, but I'll consider getting one.

    Thanks,

    Mull
     
  9. kasperhauser

    kasperhauser pfm Member

    In the US at least, many parts stores will read your codes for free (or sell you a code reader if your prefer, of course).
     
  10. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    :)

    Sounds a bit like the unlimited coffee in the diner...

    Sadly, such generosity.. or business sense.. is largely lacking this side of the pond.

    Still, where I'm taking it tomorrow will only charge £10 to read codes. If they charge at all...

    Mull
     
  11. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart pfm Member

    I'd guess that the water pump has broken. Sat still in the garage, no airflow, it overheats. Running around without thrashing it, the airflow is enough to keep it cool. Some water pumps can half fail, so it still pumps a little coolant around but not enough.

    T
     
  12. djftw

    djftw Heterodox Member

    Lol, my brother's old one has recently been MOTd to sell after being sat on my parents driveway for a similar stretch, hasn't done it any good at all! Tony's waterpump sounds about right, worth investigating, as is the stat, which I think is in a sort of plastic elbow near the pump, I've known these go funny after being left standing and would produce much the same symptoms.
     
  13. mudlark

    mudlark nearly half a clue

    Could even be the stat not opening??
     
  14. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    Sounds like your daughter had the sense to offload the car on some poor gullible muggins with perfect timing ;)

    If the car has been sat for a while I'd personally replace the oil and both the oil & air filters.
     
  15. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Thanks all but it is now sorted.

    Took it to my local independent Fiat specialist to get the fault codes looked at. When I set off, still had engine warning light. Stopped for a bit of petrol and on re-starting, light was off. Ran very happily the ten miles or so to the place.

    Watched it on idle and fan kicked in just as it should.

    Diagnostics showed a 'historic' Lambda problem and also evidence of the ECU 're learning' stuff. Suggestion was it just needed a run and a bit of time to sort itself out, clear the sensors/CAT etc.

    Off home with time running out on my 24 hour temp insurance :eek:

    Took half an hour to find a long enough bar to free the 'Gorilla Installed' sump plug and get oil draining then set off for oil and a filter.

    Usual budget spares place shut down... clock still ticking... :mad:

    Found another place.

    Dashed home and spent best part of another hour having to resort to the time honoured 'Screwdriver through the canister' method of filter removal. First time I've ever had to do that it 40+ years as a top mech . ;)

    Threw the oil in and dashed off to the MOT centre.

    Arrived with 30 mins left on insurance. Straight on the computer and passed with flying colours.

    Arrived home with 3 minutes to spare on insurance and found I'd left front door unlocked and wide open. :D

    Note to self. When this one has gone. Never, ever, do any work on any car ever again.. at all... full stop, thank you, good night.. the end. :D

    Mull
     
  16. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart pfm Member

  17. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Indeed! I just need to top up the coolant as it is now largely just plain water.

    Dropped into Halford's and took fright at the prices, so I shall try elsewhere.

    Mull
     
  18. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Get outta here, you love it. You won't stop mending cars until you shuffle into the nursing home to sit dribbling in front of Homes Under The Hammer, or they screw the lid down.

    Indeed. Old cars are great. You have a relationship with them. You accept heir failings, or fix them. You care whether they live or die. The old Saab and I are rubbing along, we have an understanding. The Astra that took me to France when I was only just well enough to work got patted and talked to on the way back, both our jobs done. "You and I make it home in one piece, you get a cambelt". It held up its end, so did I. I doubt it continued to get that level of care when I sold it but it had plenty of test, might have made it through another without too much drama, in which case it may have lived on for another year or two. I hope so.
     
  19. dweezil

    dweezil pfm Member

    Sounds similar to my Suzuki truck, had three months off when i was run over by a bus.
    Started it up after that and it ran like a dog and engine light came on, after a good thrashing it was all ok and passed the MOT last week no problem.
    The cats like a bit of heat to burn clean i suspect.

    Just love spontaneous remission.
     
  20. Derek Wright

    Derek Wright pfm Member

    Congrats on passing the "bus test"
     

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