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MQA fracas at RMAF 2018

Discussion in 'audio' started by al2002, Oct 9, 2018.

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  1. al2002

    al2002 pfm Member

    Seems like MQA proponents are getting pretty shrill. Perhaps having to do with the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow......
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  2. davidavdavid

    davidavdavid davidavdavid

    friend of mine was in the audience, frantically asking me to divulge the identity of "archimago", which I can tell you that I do not know, although he and I communicate on the Computer Audiophile site, but that aside, the degree to which my my friend was frantic, pales in comparison to the composure - lack thereof - of the MQA executives.

    and for those of you on Facebook who would like to experience MQAmania the good, the bad, the... venture forth to this group https://www.facebook.com/groups/689938551214806

    make sure to read the pinned post prior to tucking in to the threads, posts and comments.

  3. Fretbuzz

    Fretbuzz pfm Member

    True colours hey (which have been evident in the whole BS MQA approach)
  4. Mr_Sukebe

    Mr_Sukebe pfm Member

    Shame that most of the audio was missing from the attendees, would have been interesting to hear.
  5. h.g.

    h.g. pfm Member

    Interesting to observe the arguments and approaches marketing lead companies use to make progress in the audiophile world.
  6. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    I have not seen any mention of MQA in the mainstream press for ages, which is bad news for them.
  7. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    Afraid I can't see either the video or use farcebook. So maybe someone somewhere has written a detailed account? Or at least explain why 'frantic' need to identify archmago, etc?... Was someone trying to sue or diss him, but was struggling to be able to do so?
  8. davidavdavid

    davidavdavid davidavdavid

    The need to frantically identify "archimago" was pretty much to attack/assail the messenger to discredit the message, rather than calmly/rationally discuss/debate what was being presented.
  9. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    So they weren't able to make any specific criticism of the detail of any of his comments? Were they just asserting he was "wrong" as a flat claim with no substance as to why/how? I just looked at his webpages again and couldn't see anything on this.
  10. al2002

    al2002 pfm Member

    I tried again on an iPad, then a win 10 laptop and had no trouble viewing the video on YouTube. What sort of problem are you having?

    Alas, these days written accounts of lectures or public presentations are few and far between.

  11. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    I prefer to use a light browser with javascript off, etc. If a video is available I tend to prefer to be able to fetch a copy (e.g. wget)) so I can have it as a reference in case there is a later argument and the source vanishes from the net. I'll see if I can find the youtube address for the actual video and fetch it.
  12. al2002

    al2002 pfm Member

  13. al2002

    al2002 pfm Member

    Looks like either my browser or the forum software changed the actual url to a youtube media link.
  14. al2002

    al2002 pfm Member

  15. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Still mentioned regularly in Stereophile, I tend to skip it though as its far too modern for me. I’m currently listening to a real CD!
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  16. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    I just used youtube-dl to fetch with a /watch?v= and I get a coconut. However the audio sound quality is dire and hard to follow. So want to check: Is the sound quality for this via youtube's own interface also awful, or have they been able to mess up fetching with youtube-dl?
  17. Paul R

    Paul R pfm Member

    Sound isn't great but it's intelligible.

    It's possible that YouTube delivers different qualities dependent on how you access it. I'm using the YouTube app on a phone with headphones.
  18. James Evans

    James Evans Bedroom Bodger

    Jim, just watch the video in youtube for gods sake. You'd have watched, analysed, commented, and switched back to your light browser by now without all the retentive faffing about :)
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  19. Ian M

    Ian M pfm Member

    Sound is perfectly ok for me via the link in first post, on my iPad.
  20. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    I've only watched the first 15 mins or so thus far, but the guy at the back did seem to be trying to pull away from listening to what the speaker had to present into "go for the man who isn't here, not the ball". i.e. classic debating tactic. Sorry to say, I did burst out laughing when he said something to the effect that they'd been 'open'. All I've been able to find about how MQA works beyond marketing claims is the patents and vague descriptions. Since doing so I've also been told that what they actually do isn't as described in those patents. But because the details are under a layer of secret sauce, I can't analyse them fully.

    BTW I don't know archmago. But I'd be happy to see sometime if I could replicate something he says he has done to see if I agree... or not... and then would be happy to be identified as having done so... or not... as may be the case. That said, it probably would take me ages as I'm very slow these days! So by then, the waggon train may have moved on anyway. :)


    Edit: I guess MQA wouldn't regard me as either independent or qualified anyway! :)
    Although my pretty sheet of paper telling me I'd lived for ages... erm was now an honoured IEEE 'Life Member' arrived this morning. But it still seems odd for the MQA people to complain that archmago's identity isn't known when they conceal the details of how MQA works, making it hard to independently assess in full.
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
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