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Music Books

Discussion in 'music' started by Fox, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    This thread has been the smartest thing I have done in a long while. Thanks.
  2. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    Upon rereading John cage's Silence, the only one of three books I have thrown at the wall, sat in a corner, reconsidered and started again.


    It's been updated somewhat, but retains its mad brilliance


    Which has thrown up a lot of questions about my fork in the road, where to go next, even as fundamental as does the world need any more sound? More questions than answers, and that is always A Good Thing. If music had a Feynmann, Cage was it.
  3. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Cage book ordered.

    Fox, if that's the place / fork you are staring at you should certainly buy Bill Drummond's The 17. It starts from the premise that all recorded music is obsolete:


    ...and must be recreated from scratch:


    It is certainly one of the more interesting books on music I have read.
  4. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    Ordered. From your clicky. I just got a nice cheque from Scottish Power following a power cut, I think I will add 17 to my growing library...

    My fork in the roadis probably completely normal, (I am discovering a lot about me is perfectly normal, all considering) and I like Bill drummond, he has touched the edge of the Orb, he is Space!
  5. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    Bought Hardback, I buy hardback whenever possible, I think its something I will refer to, I dislike how so many of my paperbacks fell apart with age.
  6. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I'm the same, always hardback unless I'm trying to buy something so late it's long sold out and only a paperback repress is available, and even then I'll try and find the hadback second hand in the marketplace. Hardbacks tend to have nicer / larger print too, which as is a big plus if one has to suffer the crapness of varifocal glasses.
  7. Cesare

    Cesare pfm Member

    Looks interesting. Also reminds me i've not been to the design museum for years.
  8. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue The Mighty Deoxitiser

    Thought this sounded interesting. It is.

    On streaming services: "But somehow it was the fact that - in theory at least - I could be listening to any piece of music that has ever been recorded within 60 seconds with just a few mouse clicks [...], left me with an empty feeling".

    I think that pretty much sums up the way I feel too - despite the fact that I try to tell myself otherwise.

    I think it may also be at the heart of my (and maybe others?) return to vinyl, which puts a brake on the click/track/click/half-track/click...
  9. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

  10. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    (I Am having fun
    I hope you are too)

    Little postcards from the brink
  11. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue The Mighty Deoxitiser

    Fox, although he has some interesting things to say, Bill, of course, is not yet embracing silence as the final artform.

    Are you?

    I still get great pleasure from music old and new. I just need not to drown in it.

    Do you?
  12. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    I am of no fixed opinions about It yet
  13. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    The more I read the more questions I have
    God if you are real, you are a cruel bastard
  14. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue The Mighty Deoxitiser

    You're reading the wrong books. Or perhaps the right books in the wrong order.

    I am not religious, or at least am agnostic.

    I doubt though that any god worth worrying about is cruel.
  15. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    I (personally) do not believe there are such things as the wrong books
    Just not the best state of mind for the now... Or the task in hand.

    I really want to move on... Or deeper in... or drown, whatever it takes,wherever the current takes me and books some here suggested ultimately become things I use to jam unceremoniously perhaps disrespectfully into a door of my mind's ear that briefly opens and I catch a glimpse of the elusive distance before it snaps shut.. But first I have a delicious dalliance with sounds that cannot possibly even exist as they are born beyond the tympanic membrane and are a product of a slightly cooked brain.

    I think I have zero tolerance for inaction, frustratingly I need to hold back, until the action becomes a byproduct, a direction of the considered methodology,mthe thinking it through clearing a path for the way: and the through mess finding a coherence to me, the structure and the shape and the placement and the elements of interaction all make me walk about in circles (literally, actually not figuratively but actually walking about in circles for hours while I reach for a point of reference on a map I can barely see and hardly relates to the terrain)

    A mentor sent me this

    There is maybe one page in each book that I find useful. Like a CD that has mostly filler and pap but that one nugget is worth the asking price of a book, and it needs to be physically reminding me again and again. I really need space to shake it all off and see what it attached. Sift through the mess and reinvent or recover or peel back.

    all expressions of art for me should be honest ones...

    It's smelling very existential here, sorry I need to open a window,
  16. Markus S

    Markus S 41 - 29

    Dear fox, you need some R'n'B in your life. I recommend the Complete Stax and Volt Singles. An excellent antidote to the notion that silence makes for good music.
  17. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    I will give anything a go when it's not actually painful to listen to anything.
    You know me
    catholic tastes
    With a fondness for kinks (tho I do not like The Kinks' output very much)
  18. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    How can anyone not like The Kinks? That's almost as weird as not liking Half Man Half Biscuit.
  19. Teddy Ray

    Teddy Ray pfm Member

    the last sultan http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Last-Sultan-Times-Ertegun/dp/1416558381 (life and times of ahmet ertegun...one of the few masters when engineers were engineers. an amazing story)

    make mine music bruce swedien story, the platinum viking. responsible for many of pops greatest albums. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Make-Mine-M...id=1398146071&sr=1-1&keywords=make+mine+music

    echo and reverb(truly amazing stuff) the story of fabricating space in music, the history of it. the methodology. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Echo-Reverb...id=1398146499&sr=1-1&keywords=echo+and+reverb

    behind the glass top producers give advice and stories. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Behind-Glas...d=1398146168&sr=1-1&keywords=behind+the+glass

    mixing with your mind mike stavreau engineer supreme shares his methods to get results. they are rather unusual..very much feel not touch. http://www.mixingwithyourmind.com/

    soul mining daniel lanois shares wisdom and life stories. he is one of my heroes. the king of atmosphere/ambience. http://www.amazon.co.uk/SOUL-MINING...F8&qid=1398146247&sr=1-2&keywords=soul+mining

    the lowside of the road the story of tom waits. the collossus tom waits. a genius. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lowside-Roa...98146313&sr=1-1&keywords=low+side+of+the+road

    making records- phil ramone's wisdom and wit. very valuable stuff. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Reco...d=1398146339&sr=1-1&keywords=phil+ramone+book

    they all are valuable because they give us lessons from masters who are willing to share. echo and reverb is the only one of its type ive ever seen.

    also. the movie "tom dowd and the language of music" the movie. and all the 33 and 1/3 series books.
  20. Fox

    Fox The sound of one hoof clopping

    These are all nice titles but may I reiterate

    Please give reasons why -- not just lists
    Anyone can make a shopping list
    But why that book or this?
    Full fat or super lite?
    Its the context that is is important,
    The meaning too
    (And a few amazon links would be great)
    If not for us all, them the revenue
    From the click thru

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