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New Harbeth?

Discussion in 'audio' started by Hook, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. eastone

    eastone pfm Member

    it aint?

    anyway, I just meant that the NEW model can't be the powered 30.1 since it's already public...
  2. mattgbell

    mattgbell Help the elderly and unwell!

    Well, yes, agreed that this can't be the new model.

    My point was that the M30.1s are powered, not active, i.e. they have one amp per speaker, not one amp per driver, which means their Xover is after the amp, not before it, and hence they're not properly active.
  3. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    Which is a damn shame, because if they were properly active they might have some bass. If you then threw in a slight crossover tweak to bring the presence region a little bit forward then you could have the perfect little package.
  4. eastone

    eastone pfm Member

    OK I understand the distinction now. Active v. Passive isn't an area I've looked into much but very interesting to hear your take on it, Andrew.

    I realise everyone has a different understanding of how much bass is enough, but I remember my 30s giving a seriously rousing rendition of the Rite of Spring, powered by a 306...
  5. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    From Twitter/Facebook:

    If you are at the Munich show this weekend you'll see our new model, the M30.2, make its glorious debut.

    Available in an exquisite iridescent silver eucalyptus veneer, the M30.2 features; the latest WBT-nextgen binding posts, a new-look tweeter with silver hex grill, British-made audio grade poly capacitors, and Harbeth's 40th anniversary ultra-pure OFC internal cable.
  6. lost audiophile

    lost audiophile pfm Member

    Alan Shaw believes cables sound different? Sorry, couldn't resist
  7. Old Shatterhand

    Old Shatterhand pfm Member

  8. Jodet

    Jodet pfm Member

    The 30.1 is the most over-priced speaker on the market. So, yeah, a 30.2 makes sense for Harbeth from a monetary point of view.
  9. Robert

    Robert Tapehead

    I uploaded a Harbeth speech test recording recently to my cloud based music library.

    Microsoft automatically tagged the genre as 'religious/biblical'.

  10. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    ofc you have FACTS to back that up?
    Thought not.
  11. Ayya Khema

    Ayya Khema pfm Member

    common sense. of course its not a fact but i agree that 30.1 pricing shiuld be ar c7es3 level
    30.1 doesnt sound good to me either and they are way to pricy
  12. sls4321

    sls4321 pfm Member

    Curious veneer colour, but the finish on my SHL5+ 40th is much deeper and shiny than the SHL5+.

    Why on earth is is called M30.2 instead of M30.1 40th LE?

    Personally, given the improvement in sound, it should not be a limited edition.
  13. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    The M30 / M30.1 is my least favourite speaker in the Harbeth line. Unlike the stark difference between the SHL5 and SHL5 Plus, I didn't find the M30.1 to sound radically different from the M30. I wonder how this new M30.2 would sound like but I wouldn't put too much hopes on it, considering that the house sound of the Monitor range does not appeal to me as much as the domestic models (P3ESR, C7ES3 and SHL5+).

    The SHL5+ continues to amaze me with their poise and refinement.
  14. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    I like the SINGLE PAIR of WBT binding posts on the M30.2 though! How I wished the SHL5+ has this same binding post.
  15. Martyn Miles

    Martyn Miles pfm Member

    Now we have the Falcon Acoustics LS3/5a, the Graham Audio 'Chartwell' LS3/5 and the Stirling Broadcast LS3/5a V2 there isn't the market for another BBC Monitor.
  16. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    Nor I. This is silly. It's not an update at all, it's just an 'SE', meaning the fancy anniversary editions they do with a bunch of additions that the designer doesn't even believe in ('upgraded' internal cables). There is no claim to have updated the crossover, which is a shame, because this model could have done with a tiny bit more emphasis in the presence region.

    I do think that the M30.1 sounds very different to the M30, but I can't see that this is going to sound any different at all, unless they are using some really amazing crossover caps.
  17. Snufkin

    Snufkin pfm Member

    The M30's I had were very good and noticeably smoother in the upper regions compared to the C7ES2. It seemed like a neutral speaker that allowed even subtle system changes to be heard. I liked them a lot and a pair lived in my system for the best part of ten years.
  18. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    Perhaps one day I will be able appreciate the qualities of the M30.1 more. It does sound great but only with selective musical genres especially vocal-based material. The SHL5+ and C7ES3 may not possess the special qualities of the M30 / 30.1 but are more of an all-rounder. All my opinion of course, influenced by my listening taste and preferences. Good to hear you have lived with the M30 for that long.
  19. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    SE with upgraded internal cables. That's it? If that's the case I surely share the same sentiment. Even though I am aware it's not something that the designer believes in, the Special Editions with "upgraded wires" are developed due to market demands, the far east if I am not mistaken. I read that somewhere many years ago on HUG. The move is usually commercial-driven. If there is (good) demand it's business opportunity. After all, it's the business that keeps the company alive.

    Anyway I think it's not only with upgraded wires. There is also the WBT plugs which looked pretty posh.
  20. hifi_dave

    hifi_dave Hi-Fi Retailer

    Crossover revision, upgraded wiring and caps, WBT terminals, premium veneer.

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