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Nights at the Opera

Discussion in 'classical' started by Whaleblue, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Whaleblue, my suggestion for the next would be La Boheme, my favourite Puccini opera. Or possibly Peter Grimes for something in English. You’d probably get 100 different suggestions from 100 different people.

    Opera is such a silly art form, and yet yet it’s wonderful.
  2. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue The Mighty Deoxitiser

    Thanks Steve, yes, after part 2’s focus on La Boheme, it looks a strong candidate.
  3. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue The Mighty Deoxitiser

    I’ve just listened to my only recording of Cosi. Specifically Soave sia il vento, which I find absolutely beautiful, as I’m sure you all do. My recording is Böhm/Schwarzkopf et al. I’m somewhat pleased to say that it’s a major disappointment.

    Last night’s performance was in a different league. I suspect, as I heard a lady behind us suggest, due to the rather more appropriate age of the performers. Well that, and consummate skill on their behalf. A few minutes that will stay with me for some time - despite the clatter of a dropped programme half way through. It was, after all, a programme droppingly superb rendition.
  4. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    ...well, that's two ex-Nazi Party members already right there and probably a lot more involved in the recording. :)
  5. Richard C.

    Richard C. pfm Member

    Quite so.

    Worsley is good at historical things (although the seriousness of the subjects sometimes suffers from her seeming to project herself as "crumpet"). I like opera very much indeed which is why I don't care for the Worsley approach to the subject, or at least, the approach taken by her BBC producer.

    But I agree with Joe - this appears yet another example of The Beeb cashing in on a transient popularity thinking that the vehicle which established that popularity in the first place can be replicated in any number of other formats. We have Fiona Bruce and Joanna Lumley guiding us through exotic places, Gordon Ramsay is about to transport us to the horrors of cocaine supply and I see that a Bake-Off girl is going to be our expert guide to some other exotic destination. There are too many of these things. In every case what could have been an interesting and possibly absorbing programme has been "dumbed-down" to the level of the viewer which Aunty supposedly associates with that particular presenter.

    Sad, innit?
  6. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue The Mighty Deoxitiser

    Lucy Worsley is an historian, with a particular interest in British royalty. Whilst I have little interest in the modern, largely irrelevant, crop, it’s clear that in past centuries they played a somewhat central role in developments, so worthy of some study I’m sure.

    Anyway, I certainly learnt a few things from the programme, so, as one of the dumb, benefitted from her perspective on Opera.
  7. adamdea

    adamdea pfm Member

    Well you'll just have to buy a load more recordings. Or just try them out on spotify. Maybe Jacobs?

  8. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    The Ramsey programme on cocaine was on ITV.
  9. Rk19

    Rk19 pfm Member

    Marriage of Figaro. Mozart.
  10. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue The Mighty Deoxitiser

  11. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

  12. adamdea

    adamdea pfm Member

    Well there are so many to choose from. I've never heard anyone call Jacobs slow before- although maybe too fast in some places and too slow in others-

    Anyway the great thing about spotify or tidal or whatever is that you can try lots of different version without having to completely fill your house. And operas are easy to search for.
  13. Rk19

    Rk19 pfm Member

  14. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Watched it very late last night- excellent. Quite why they played a Tchaikovsky Symphony over the section on Wagner and Bayreuth was a mystery.
  15. adamdea

    adamdea pfm Member

    btw if anyone can beg borrow or steal tickets for the current ROH lucia di lammermoor, then do go.
    Production has at least some real points to make and Lisette Oropesa is the real deal. Quite possibly one of those star-is-born moments.


    annoyingly I can't see it on any of the cinema listings. That may be because it was screened when the production opened last year. But this is IMHO (and failing memory) better than last year.

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