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Nina Simone or Aretha Franklin?

Discussion in 'music' started by merlin, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. Natara

    Natara pfm Member

    Tony you said it Nina Simone is up there with all the other top musicians IMO at least ten even twenty musicians Aretha Franklin is so far out there on her own that not one singer even comes remotely close ever.
  2. Caliente

    Caliente pfm Member

  3. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Must be a taste thing, Aretha does little for me, Nina connects and speaks truths. I guess I’m a jazz fan rather than a 60s soul fan. I suspect it is that simple!
  4. Still

    Still absolute unit

    What about Claire Grogan?

    (this is mainly for gassor's benefit)
  5. gassor

    gassor "There may be more posts after this."

    How did you know that along with Gary Kemp I had a slight fancy for Clare?

    Still think she's lovely and sparkly, but not much in the vocal department I'm afraid.
  6. JamesJamerson

    JamesJamerson pfm Member

    I'm both, and of all the genres that wouldn't kick the other out of bed, I'd have thought they were the least likely to. Oh well, Nina doing this, is truly a thing of delicate beauty:

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  7. Vinniemac

    Vinniemac pfm Member

    As you say Tony, it's a taste thing. There's nothing more divisive in music than voices, I think. I have a blind spot over Billie Holliday - I just don't like the sound of her voice. My loss.

    But to dismiss Aretha as nothing more than a 60s soul singer is just plain wrong. She was a fine pianist, and a great gospel singer, right up there with Mahalia Jackson (listen to Amazing Grace or the live album recorded when she was just 15). She could sing standards with the best of them - Sarah Vaughan vowed never to sing Skylark again after she heard Aretha's version. And when she wanted to, she could be a great jazz singer. The misleadingly-titled Soul 69 album is a great jazz album, with backing musicians of the calibre of Ron Carter, Kenny Burrell, and Joe Zawinul.

    And Aretha's version of Nina's song Young, Gifted and Black is *so* much better than Nina's original ;-)
  8. Chris Marshall

    Chris Marshall pfm Member

    Wouldn't want to be without either of them in my collection.

    Sinnerman is one of the most intense songs ever recorded, Respect is the definitive soul song for me!
  9. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    Don't disagree and I personally love both of them. But Nina speaks directly to my soul in a way Aretha rarely does. It's as if she can convey more complex emotions for want of a more appropriate expression.

    Listening to Emergency Ward as I type and it's a remarkable live album. Her voice is both languid and filled with the attitude of a true preacher.

    My feeling, and possibly the reason for starting the thread, is that one's preference displays a great deal about ones character given the differences between the two in lyrical content and style.

    For me, and I love a lot of Aretha Franklin's output, there's a lot of embellishment which Nina avoids yet gets the message across in such a direct way.
  10. Still

    Still absolute unit

    As another Scottish gent of a certain age a lucky guess/I had a funny feeling :)

    I suspected as much from our discussion of Trixie's Big Red Mototrbike.
    Must confess I was a massive Altered Images fanboi!
  11. blossomchris

    blossomchris I am not searching, I know what I am looking for.

    I presume you are purchasing a lot of Kendrick Lamar's output in that case along with Public Enemy etc. Do you have any of these artists in your collection?

    I fail to see a connection between choice of music and ones character.


    PS: As Gassor rightly pointed out in Aretha's earlier days around 68-72 she did her fair share of protest output compared to many who totally ignored these issues, such as honkey rock.
  12. jimi

    jimi pfm Member

    Agreed and it's Aretha for me.
  13. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.


    I see the connection all the time.

    How does an artist stir one's emotions if the emotional connection to the lyric is not there?

    If the emotional connection to the lyric is there then that forms a part of one's character IMO.
  14. jimi

    jimi pfm Member

    Does classical music stir one's emotions?
  15. blossomchris

    blossomchris I am not searching, I know what I am looking for.

    It can be lyrics or the music that can stir emotions, it is only when they are together that nirvana is attained.

  16. Vinniemac

    Vinniemac pfm Member

    Indeed. To say nothing of jazz - Parker, Armstrong, Rollins, Mingus, etc. For me, the music is much more important than the lyrics.
  17. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    To a degree IME but then I cannot connect any classical piece to a personal experience.

    Agree there Bloss. For me though, the content of those lyrics (which connect to the soul) allow an insight into that soul, which is, to all intents and purposes, our character.

    Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to explain my thinking.
  18. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    I listen to a lot of old jazz recordings and enjoy them immensely. Not on an emotional level though.
  19. Nytechy

    Nytechy pfm Member

    Aretha's the one that won't let me leave the room if she comes on the radio...
  20. blossomchris

    blossomchris I am not searching, I know what I am looking for.

    I can see that now Merlin.


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