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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+2)?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Buntobox, Feb 5, 2018.

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  1. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    Good explanation on the Italian election here for those like me who are a bit hazy on the details.

  2. HarryB

    HarryB pfm Member

    Haha. That's a piss take I assume. Very good. Funny.
  3. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

  4. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    My worry is that this could make Juncker put his EU plans back in the drawer, Barnier et al will become less arrogant and the whole EU objective will morph into something reasonable and something we should be part of. Then we'd have to reapply.
  5. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    Haha! That's the real world for you, comments under the articles.
  6. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    "I've never been pickpocketed anywhere in Europe - except Naples."
  7. stephen bennett

    stephen bennett Mr Enigma

    Just imagine if Cameron had gone to the EU not with "these are the concessions we want" (I assume he was told that the UK wasn't implementing the powers it had anyhow) but rather "These are the ways we think the EU needs reform. Discuss this or we leave."

    We threw away our most important negotiation position before we'd even started. Incompetence at its best.

  8. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    Strength in numbers, though. I imagine they have been in meetings non-stop since the Italian results, discussing how to improve their image to member states.
  9. richardg

    richardg Admonishtrator

    Mark Blyth is anti-EU, I believe?
  10. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    'Cake and eat it' Brexit is currently being killed by the EU as we speak. Brexit will not be a success.

    Tusk: “Our agreement will not make trade frictionless or smoother; it will make trade more complicated. This is the essence of Brexit.”

    A "pick and mix approach" to Brexit is "out of the question".

    "I fully understand and respect Theresa May’s political objective: to demonstrate, at any price, that Brexit can be a success and is the right choice. But, sorry, it's not our objective."
  11. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    He's a longstanding critic of the EU on a number of fronts but thinks Brexit and the Brexiteers are basically bonkers.

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  12. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Absolutely. I love the place, but you have to be very careful. There is a world of difference between the Centro Storico and some of the streets off Piazza Garibaldi where I've been very aware that I was alone after dark. It's one of the few European cities where I divide up my valuables and have a "thief wallet" with enough money, cards and general crap in it to be plausible while keeping other stuff in my boot.
  13. HairyHaggis

    HairyHaggis <((((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸.•´¯`•...¸><((((º>¸.

    further: "He said it would be the first time in history that a free trade agreement would "loosen, not strengthen economic ties"."

    the tories should be prosecuted for the extensive damage they are doing to the country. and that creature may should be the first in the dock. willfully and knowingly driving us down. what a w1tch
  14. markvdv

    markvdv pfm Member

    Blyth seems to rate chances for an all populist government a little higher. If they manage to form a all populist coalition I do not think their own action to leave euro or EU is the most interesting.
  15. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    I thought one of Tusk's earlier lines caught it nicely....

    "As members they wanted lots of opt outs. Now they are leaving they want lots of opts in"
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  16. HairyHaggis

    HairyHaggis <((((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸.•´¯`•...¸><((((º>¸.

    the uk is and has been like a spoilt kid, full of wants and little sense of responsibility. i can imagine that the eu is heartily sick and tired of us by now and just wants the whole fiasco to end, so that may and her crew can sail off into the sunset, taking their specialness and their deepness with them. fox will be trotting round the globe offering specialness and deepness wherever he goes, to all and sundry. but barring a few arms deals with people we really ought not to be dealing with, i can't see that his approach is going to do very much for our economy as it continues it's dive down to the ocean floor. the last time this happened, the ship was called the titanic and it was the orchestra who played on...
  17. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    The UK post Brexit and the USA with Dotard have finally thrown in the towel. Smoke and mirrors only work for a while. They just cannot compete with Germany, Japan and China and will hide behind self-damaging trade barriers or short-term deals.
    When the Japanese car/motorbike industry started it produced rubbish but they studied the problems and changed the products. In the end all of us are consumers that want quality and/or cheap prices.
    The world does not owe the UK anything. Scary days ahead.
    Some never stop talking about how messed up countries like Italy are, well Italy exports more than the UK.
  18. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    The exodus has started.

    Goldman Sachs moving staff at short notice https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...CN1GJ1L7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

    Euroclear moving HQ to Brussels http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...ls-financial-services-uk-latest-a8243771.html

    And Trump is doubling down on his trade war: "Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
    The U.S. is acting swiftly on Intellectual Property theft. We cannot allow this to happen as it has for many years!"

    It's not really what the likes of Davis and Johnson and Fox and Gove, and May, promised would happen, is it?

  19. NeilR

    NeilR pfm Member

  20. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Call them up and say you want to change your vote to leave.
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