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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+21)?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ff1d1l, Apr 21, 2019.

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  1. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    Corbyn has the political stature of a Labour councillor and thats all.
  2. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    I hate the SNP Dec, I can't forget or forgive them for Thatcher and going back further to the 30s they were an anti-catholic party and there are still remnants of sectarianism within the party and they're hopeless at running the country but they have popular support but eventually they will tear themselves apart.

    Also, most of the leadership were employed or were partners in the same legal firm in Edinburgh.
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  3. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    3 years ago my three were all big fans of Corbyn. Now they feel let down by how quickly he agreed with the Tories to end free movement and not stand up for remaining in the EU. They all came to the same conclusion without any discussion with me. Two now support the SNP and the third I'm not sure about. They tick the boxes for voting Labour and 10 years ago they probably would have.
  4. alanbeeb

    alanbeeb pfm Member

    Problem with UK politics all over is the dearth of leadership. Almost none of them are leading - they are simply chasing their constituencies, running after them out of fear of alienating them, slavishly pandering to prejudice and ignorance. That is the opposite of "Leading" - which means making the arguments and changing minds.
  5. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Tony, Scotland is a very different place now- even from when you and I were at school and I dare say the SNP is a very different party now from forty years ago.
  6. claire.foxx

    claire.foxx Trans lives matter

    Okay that was a pretty good aspect of austeritynonics, silver linings and all.
  7. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    I've often said that if LAbour had a leader on top of their game like Nicola Sturgeon, they'd be in Downing St this minute. And there would be none of this Brexit crap. But where the SNP would be I don't know!
  8. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    I know I live here Dec, I honestly can't believe how much Glasgow has changed but in some places it's back in 1950 which the tourists never really penetrate even if they go to visit those places.

    The SNP have only changed their coat mate there's still some real unsavoury characters behind the curtains and anyway I can't in all honesty vote for a nationalist party that goes completely against everything I was brought up with.
  9. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    I can't stand her either she's a bloody nodding dog like that clown knuessenberg.
  10. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    <selling mode> Tony, who would you like to see leading the SNP?
  11. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    I honestly don't have an opinion about that Dec for reasons already posted.
  12. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I suppose the other thing I should say is that I’ve never been a member of any political party though I have friends who are or indeed work for political parties. I can’t summon up that level of interest though I quite enjoy hearing the ins and outs of it.
  13. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Well when I cast an Olympian eye over it I see centrism as a whole struggling to ward off the extreme right and the centre left, which is what h.g. was talking about, making gains only where they've broken with centrism proper and opposed austerity and/or offered green reforms. Maybe a more granular analysis would indicate great things in store for centrist austerians and immigrant-bashers. You can fill me in on Macron and co's vision for the future.
  14. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Love Jess. So authentic.
  15. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Sean, once the centre goes, we are truly f***ed. Britain is heading somewhere very ugly and we’re only at the beginning. BTW, they’ll saw the legs from under yer Olympus.
  16. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    The "centre" is how we got here. Decades of competitive immigrant/benefits-claimant-bashing. Check out Tony's (B!) recent interventions: they're still doing it. They've learned nothing. Centrism is not going to face down the financial sector, it's not going to close the detention centres, it's not going to take the war machine off its tit. Not for the first time it's socialism or barbarism.
  17. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

    Care to mention any examples of these prospering left-of-centre, non-austerian parties your Olympian eye has spotted? I can't think of too many.

    Podemos are in trouble. PSOE have had a good run recently but I'm sure you don't approve of them, they are to the right of Podemos, yes, dreaded centrists.
    Syriza? Tsipras is losing votes, plus he seems to be enforcing austerity and cozying up to Merkel.
    Italy? Renzo's gang are starting a comeback but don't qualify, hard centrist lot.
    France? The Socialists are down to single digits, and so is Mélenchon's lot.
    Netherlands? Timmermans?
    Genuinely puzzled.
  18. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    She is on top of her brief like no one else I have heard. She doesn't deflect, she goes round the question and always comes back to the central issue with facts and figures. Impressive to say the least. Then there are policies like free prescriptions and tuition fees. But I'm not nationalistic in the slightest and I am not impressed with the economics of independence which I think would create more austerity.
  19. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    Remind me how that approach worked out for Labour In the 1980s.

    We’re not anti socialist- we’re anti stupid and Brexit is an utterly stupid idea.
  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    If I understand you correctly, Brexit is just another stepping stone and disrupter on the path to your radical political and social model? Im not sure how a majority would democratically choose it unless they were living in desperate times. A bit like fundamentalist Christians hoping for the end times so they can vanquish evil and wave to the sinners, Muslims, Hindus and atheists on the way up to their eternal life.
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