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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+22)?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by TheDecameron, May 29, 2019.

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  1. SteveG

    SteveG pfm Member

    The Tories might well end up with the biggest vote share but the only parties they've any chance of doing a coalition with are Brexit and the DUP and I don't think that'll be enough. Labour on the other hand could be in a position to form a government with support from the SNP, LibDem and others (who are likely to have a lot more seats - the SNP alone might have 50 or so). Labour will have to pay a price for that though - e.g. support for a 2nd referendum with Remain on the card, and hopefully a change to a leader who isn't hell-bent on Brexit at any cost.
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  2. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Boris claimed a white powder which may or may not have been cocaine, didn’t enter his system because he sneezed it out. It appears someone may have accessed the urn containing the ashes of Margaret Hilda.
  3. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

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  4. puddlesplasher

    puddlesplasher pfm Member

    Our politics seems to have become more Right wing and and Left wing and neither making any sense.
  5. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    It hasn't made sense, if it ever did, since Labour were blamed and seemed to accept the blame for the 2008 world-wide financial crisis.
    Just imagine if the current or previous Tory government had been charged with sorting that out at that time.
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  6. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    That's fair enough. I personally wouldn't trust Corbyn or the current Shadow Cabinet to set up a referendum if they got into power though.

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  7. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Why would he, he’s been in favour of the UK leaving the EU all his political life.
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  8. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Not as great a disaster as enabling a tory government.
  9. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London


  10. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

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  11. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    He’s been critical of the EU, but has he been in favour of leaving it?
  12. claire.foxx

    claire.foxx Punk princess in a pretty party dress

    To me it feels like politics has just become more right wing with the left not fully recovering from its Blairite neoliberal dalliance. The current Labour administration is still very much a centrist party with policies that are quite happily right wing. The media likes to present Corbyn as some sort of Marxist Trot in a ushanka — but in fact he’s just another slightly left neoliberal opportunist lightweight.
  13. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

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  14. Nero

    Nero It's unlikely

    Hey, we're now on a post-Brexit roll! Now we are free to import everything from South Korea, including their cars and ships.

    Do they need any weapons?

  15. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

  16. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    You mean changing the opinion he reportedly held for at least 41 years (that’s counting from when he voted to leave in 1975) in the last three? I suppose anything is possible...
  17. MVV

    MVV pfm Member

    Having just resigned from the Labour Party. Come the GE the only way to get the Tories out is to vote Labour, irritating as that will be it is what I will do.
  18. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    South Korea is a major arms manufacturer
  19. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    Here is a Tariq Ali quote from The Independent article, which came out on 16 May 2016:

    "Jeremy Corbyn is “completely opposed to the EU” and would be campaigning for a vote to leave if he was not leading the Labour Party, one of his oldest political allies has claimed."

    One time International Marxist Tariq Ali was 100% right.

    Corbyn has turned out to be as much of a con artist as Theresa May, Cameron, Boris Johnson and the rest of them.

    Corbyn did hardly any campaigning for Remain prior the Referendum and is an out-and-out Brexiteer.

    This is why he still won't agree to a second referendum on any deal, which would include a Remain choice.

    Tariq Ali voted to Leave. I saw him do a Q/A session after a documentary about left-wing politics in the Sixties and Seventies a few years ago. He was great.

    As it says in Wiki "He has been described as "the alleged inspiration" for the Rolling Stones' song "Street Fighting Man", recorded in 1968. John Lennon's "Power to the People" was inspired by an interview Lennon gave to Ali."

  20. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    The key clause in Ali's argument is "if he were not the leader". Some might prefer to just put accidental things like that to one side in order to concentrate on what really matters which is what is in Corbyn's heart, but both Corbyn and Ali are more interested in how things actually work and what can actually be done. The idea that Corbyn is prepared to jeopardise his shot at ending austerity and transforming both this country and its foreign policy (WRT to things he really cares about, such as the Middle East) in order to push a personal agenda on a single issue, in the teeth not just of the PLP (fine) but the membership and support base, is IMO fanciful. Even if he were unequivocal in his belief that UK would be better off out of the EU he's just not a single issue crank, or an autocrat.
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