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[Poll] A poll on whether Power Cords make a difference

Discussion in 'audio' started by duckworp, Jun 14, 2018.

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Do Power Cords Make A Difference?

  1. Yes they do make a difference

    145 vote(s)
    39.8%
  2. No they don't make a difference

    166 vote(s)
    45.6%
  3. I don't know

    53 vote(s)
    14.6%
  1. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    I just want to let everyone know that after many weeks of refraining to vote I broke down this morning and voted in this poll. A gentle nudge to the self-appointed thread reporter that the counts and percentages have changed ever so slightly.

    It's up to you, but I'd suggest announcing this using a highly legible font, perhaps bolded and in red (red Hex/RGB color code = #FF0000, RED=255, GREEN=0, BLUE=0).

    Joe
     
  2. whatsnext

    whatsnext Naimless

    Trump. We used to say bump.

    I tried to change my vote and it boosted the Yesers but I felt so insincere and reverted.

    OP do you have any appetite for a thread where those who are Yes. If they are comfortable doing so say what the make/model they experienced the benefits with.

    I use AVI Integrated and their CD player (but rarely now) Raspberry pi with Moode Audio Player. I have Mark Grants cables on the AVI devices. I tried a modestly priced MCRU cable first before exploring the Mark Grants.

    I tried them with my idea of an open mind. Ok I am told you can make a difference, show me.
     
  3. duckworp

    duckworp pfm Member

    I am happy to share my experience.

    I was converted back in the Naim Days. A Naim Powerline on a CDX smoothed off the harsh treble in a demo. Sold.

    With newer Vitus kit the Andromeda cable which came with the Vitus amp and cdp sounded similar to Naim powerline and only a small difference to stock cord. But a Shunyata Alpha EF attached to the amp had an impact on the bass, yet oddly the model up, Alpha NR, did not. Dealer and I noticed it, but dealer pointed it out first - if the dealer was in the game to fleece me with snake oil why would he point out the cheaper model sounding better? Biggest change is CDP and Shunyata Alpha EF combo - instruments are alive and in the room. The compromise is an increase in harshness on some recordings. But I have the old cable if that’s an issue.

    I am not great at Hi-Fi descriptions but this is a more meaningful description of this Shunyata on the cdp. Think of a modern remaster of a classic album. They are a double edged sword to me. Often they have a clearer more detailed sound, which is good, but the compromise is they are often over-compressed to make them sound more 'modern'. To me that compression makes them less enjoyable to listen to, less natural sounding. What the Shunyata does on the cdp is give the clarity and definition of a cleaned up master (when listening to an old mastering) but obviously without the loss of dynamics a modern remaster has. That is the best definition of the resulting sound I can give, assuming you share my experiences with much remastering. Alternatively I would describe it as being more present in the room, more detailed, more live sounding, slightly forward of the speakers. And on a soprano singing Bach in a small ensemble you'll hear a more prominent sibilance on an ‘s’. Which I know is not a good thing.
     
  4. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    Joe, if it`s good enough for you it`s good enough for me, I have also now voted.

    ps. is Duckworp some unusual kind of avian FTL travel?
     
  5. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Barry,

    I had always thought the Romulan Bird of Prey ships were modelld on raptors but maybe they were modelled on ducks. Romulan ducks... obviously.

    Joe
     
  6. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    Makes sense - so the cloaking device may have originally been a quacking device?
     
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  7. h.g.

    h.g. pfm Member

    Possibly he judged the maximum profit he could make from you and then demonstrated the relevant model in the best light. This is what salesmen in shops are employed to do.
     
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  8. rn82497

    rn82497 pfm Member

    whatsnext - It is a good idea - and I naively try this a couple of years ago. One thread for engineering arguments - and a second thread for subjective discussions cables / equipment and shared experiences etc. Immediately thread crapped ensued by the usual Trolls.
     
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  9. misterdog

    misterdog Not the canine kind

    So after spending £ 1300 on one mains cable you have to swop cables for different recordings ?

    I have seven mains cables some 20 metres ( £ 9100 :eek: cost on your recommended cable) and would then have to swop them for different recordings.

    Luckily I have saved over £ 9000.00 and the inconvenience of having to change them everytime I hear something which I am not happy with. :)
     
  10. whatsnext

    whatsnext Naimless

    Just in case someone was away when this was throbbing or a new member has a nagging concern about mains and did not realise they were not alone in their concerns.

    I have just been listening to Zappa’s Apostrophe and found my mind wondering if I changed mains cable(s) would it be any less enjoyable (or audible). A fleeting though.

    I am glad I avoided Naim from the first time I heard that odd harmonics rich noise. Derek Whittington thank you.
     
  11. Ragaman

    Ragaman Mentalist

    Pity this thread has gone the way of the troll, it was an interesting read, can someone get this back on track, before the insane take over the asylum once more.
     
  12. banjoman

    banjoman pfm Member

    The only experience I have had where shielded power cables made a difference was with my Line Magnetic amp. It had a constant loud hum with crackle. Using a slightly higher quality shielded power cable reduced that a bit but did not eliminate it in any way.
    Ultimately realised it was due to powerline ethernet adapters plugged into an adjacent socket was the source of the problem and removing those solved the problem completely and removed any impact of power cables. Never had this problem with other amps by the way which were clearly far less or not susceptible to the mains intereference from powerline adapters

    Otherwise have never found any noticeable difference myself from diff power cables at all. In face quite the opposite - some of the more expensive power cables are so damn stiff and thick they put way too much pressure on the input sockets of some equipment. An average shielded, safe and flexible power cord is all I will ever need - in my system in my current house anyway
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2018
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  13. Joe

    Joe pfm Member


    I would say that that post is beneath you but as your posts on these sorts of threads have gone on I think that you are probably what they call around these parts "a shit stirrer ".

    Sorry... sorry if you are offended but on several threads like these and on, say, the "Wam " thread you just seem to like to poke the lion through the cage bars to see what reaction you get.

    Your above post is just a wind up of an old a dead cable thread with the added fun for you of a kick at Naim completely out of context to this thread.
     
  14. Finkfan

    Finkfan Member

    I voted yes, as from my experiences changed a mains cable can change the sound, albeit subtlety. I have used standard supplies mains cables, shielded cables and cables with silver plugs. All subtlety different. I have used TQ cables for a few years ( as I preferred them to the standard ones) and only recently started changing those over to EWA MC-5 cables as, to my ears, they sound better.
     
  15. radamel

    radamel Music Fiend


    Welcome to PFM, Finkfan!

    You have good taste in music. :)
     
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  16. sq225917

    sq225917 situation engineer

    Which is strange given he hears cable differences.... ;-)
     
  17. whatsnext

    whatsnext Naimless

    Steely Dan, Katie Lied
     
  18. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    Absolutely. There's an undeniable art to successful snake oiling. Any counter argument of the "he could have tried to sell me the most expensive one, but he didn't" variety tells me there was a glazed, twitchy countenance to the buyer - corresponding to a nodding of the head - that had the salesperson crouched for a kill before he took inventory and noticed worn Nikes or frayed button holes ... No problemo. A good snake oiler has braid and gold bits for every season!
     
  19. andrews

    andrews pfm Member

    They make a difference to my ears.

    There is an audible difference (improvement) even with products that state that the cable does not matter - such as my Teddy XPS. Go figure
     
  20. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue Southbound

    Are you using them as earrings?
     
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