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Poll : Next Labour Leader.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Weekender, Dec 15, 2019.


Who would you like as next leader of the L.P.

  1. Lisa Nandy

    12 vote(s)
  2. Keir Starmer

    88 vote(s)
  3. Jess Phillips

    25 vote(s)
  4. Angela Rayner

    5 vote(s)
  5. Rebecca Long-Bailey

    6 vote(s)
  6. Emily Thornberry

    4 vote(s)
  7. Other

    35 vote(s)
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  1. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Why not? I would have thought it is a relatable skillet, understanding a brief, working out arguments etc.

    I don't want another professional politician
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  2. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    Labour should not decide on next steps on the assumptions that Brexit won't be an issue and / or the UK has gone to Hell in a hand-basket and the electorate move away from the Conservatives.

    They're likely, but Labour needs a strategy based on the premise they will be going up against a popular Tory Government in 2024.
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  3. Nigel

    Nigel pfm Member

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  4. clifftaylor

    clifftaylor Absolutely retired!

    Agreed - Labour have been hamstrung for ages by trying to be both a radical left party, and a more cenralist Socialist party, and have ended up being neither. A good sort out is needed.
  5. clifftaylor

    clifftaylor Absolutely retired!

    Do tell.
  6. Nigel

    Nigel pfm Member

    I edited my post to include the link, Cliff.
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  7. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Individual union members are funding the Labour Party to the tunes of tens of millions of pounds - apparently to keep the Blairites living in the manner to which they have become accustomed to
  8. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    If the Labour Party becomes a political irrelevance then members may opt to not pay the levy. Are you not interested in having a Labour government?

    I don't understand how the LP is keeping Blairites in clover.
  9. ciderglider

    ciderglider pfm Member

    But RLB does wear glasses, which I believe marks her out as a dangerous intellectual.
  10. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    Yeah, right....

  11. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Because their collective failure to support the elected leader let those that are funding them down.
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  12. Paul Mc

    Paul Mc pfm Member

    It's called the Communist Party.
  13. Paul Mc

    Paul Mc pfm Member

    I generally avoid political threads as I spend my life "doing" politics and hifi and music are my escape. I'm also a Labour member / supporter since the early '80s. The only criteria we should use is, who has the best chance of beating Johnson? All the evidence at this stage suggests Starmer. Anyone remotely seen as continuity-Corbyn hasn't got a chance, nor should they. Nandy would play a role too.
  14. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    The unions do not pay MPs salaries, the wider electorate does that. You could argue that Labour are letting the wider electorate down but we will never agree on that I'm sure.
  15. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Of course not but they fund the party, the campaigns, the staff etc etc and provide a framework for them to get elected - my question is, are they getting anything back in return?
  16. Roger Adams

    Roger Adams pfm Member

    “People have been in a coma, and they have been sanctioned. Is this a way to treat ordinary human beings?”.

    Ian Lavery was one of only 48 Labour MPs to vote against the Tories Welfare Reform Bill. Ian gets it.

    The house was empty. He may receive funds from the Unions but at least he works for it.
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  17. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    They backed Corbyn as a candidate so I am not sure the framework is working too well.
  18. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    My question is more whether archaic fat-cat trade union barons are a constructive force in producing a Labour Party that is attractive to the wider electorate? My suspicion is they are a hinderance rather than a help!

    PS You mention Momentum, Labour membership etc as a force for democracy, and logically I can understand that argument, but sadly the disconnect between that 500,000 or so members and the wider electorate actually seems wider than that between the <100,00 predominantly elderly white men in the Tory Party who got to vote Boris Johnson into the leadership role. The unavoidable fact is the move to the left has failed for Labour, the membership and the electorate are either simply not on the same page or even with five times the number of Tory activists they failed to get the message across in traditional Labour areas (I accept the fraudulence of Banks/Farage played a big part too, our elections are now clearly for sale to millionaires).
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  19. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    If, as we are frequently told, Blair was 'not really Labour', the last 'really Labour' General Election victory was in 1974, so those trade unions must be a truly patient bunch.
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  20. deanf

    deanf pfm Member

    Don't joke about it, I've been handed Communist Party material at the Labour branch meetings.

    And Ed Miliband.


    ..after a small gradual decline, there has been a small sharp increase in membership, I understand. It will be interesting to see what this change means and equally to see what the (momentum controlled) NEC do about eligibility and the timing of the contest - for them the more protracted the better.
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