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Prince Andrew allegations not going away...

Discussion in 'off topic' started by gavreid, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Correct, it is 'power' & abuse there of
  2. Hempknight

    Hempknight pfm Member

    Probably the same as those in the bible, human nature hasn't changed, the powerfull will always try to hide their corruption behind seemingly benign words.
  3. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Nobody in this thread knows exactly what has happened, you included. Everything written here is based on assumptions, therefore you must accept that not all contributors go your way. FWIW I still don't give a damn about who did what to whom, for the simple reason that I am not in a position to make an accurate judgment. I hope you can tolerate my indifference, from then on you can insert the subtext you want to.
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  4. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    For as many different combinations of reasons as there are girls doing it.
  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    We don’t need to. The evidence we have, which is absolutely indisputable, is one of the UK’s highest paid public employees, a person who has received £millions from the state/tax-payer over his life, actively chose to socialise and stay with a convicted child rapist. Surely that is damning enough in itself?
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  6. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Oh, I prefer this, thank you Tony. In clear you see a problem in the fact that Prince Andrew used to socialise with that Epstein bloke. Rest assured, if one of my friends turned out to be a child rapist, I might well take some distance too, if that can avoid me any problems. Now Epstein probably had an enormous network of friends, businesspeople and parasites of all sorts, just like all billionaires have. I presume that only a fraction of these people knew about Epstein's intimate preferences. Is Andrew certainly among those in the know ? I've no idea, but being a Royal is certainly no advantage here, and frankly I still believe this whole non-story to having been artificially inflated by people who are, for some reason, fed up with the Royals but who don't find a more elegant way to achieve their ends.

    And if i got it right, the 17-year-old girl episode was dug out just in time in order to give the story a 'child rapist' side. Andrew is now a child rapist, fantastic.

    Come on, guys. I tell you once again, your country is burning and if I were you I'd start reading actual news, for instance about your Government and how it intends to handle Brexit. I'm even starting to think that any Royal would make a better job than the blokes currently sitting at either side of the HoC, and this worries me far more than that gossip about a Royal.
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Yes, obviously. Epstein was a convicted pedophile *before* all the footage/pictures of Andrew in his house. As a highly paid public servant/national figurehead one would have hoped he’d have the core intellect and professionalism to stay away from such things, let alone be pictured in a child sex offender’s house with underage girls etc. Really not a good look IMHO, and I say that as someone who has met Bill Wyman!
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  8. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    i don't quite think you've gotten my point, so i'll be clearer.

    i agree with you that we don't know everything about what the prince may or may not have done. i also would agree that some of the MeToo stuff over the past few years has felt like mob behaviour and delivered more than a few clumsy initial/prejudicial verdicts. that said, like tony, i am happy to restrict my comments and judgment to what we know for certain right now.

    this is mainly about outrage against a representative of the monarchy, not a simple, regular person. the monarchy is based on a notion of heredity that once claimed to be a "blood line" of superior people -- a sort of hyper-racism, if you like. no royal would make those claims now (well, at least not in public) and the cultural/PR twist is something along the lines of them acting as a sort of noble, selfless role model of propriety and charity, albeit amidst great luxury and wealth (ironically, this gives it "popular" appeal to a lot of people). that's the best i can do right now with such an absurd situation, but i hope you get the picture.

    in that context, when one of them slips up ethically and socially in such a massive way, even if most of it is not actually criminal, the unwashed masses have to take the opportunity to make a big political move and rant on and on about the hypocrisy. appearances are all these people have, so it's a perfect way to take them down. sure it invokes some mob-like instincts, but massive social injustice has that effect.
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2019
  9. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    Prince Androué?
  10. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    actually a lot simpler and more common:

    prince andré
  11. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    I'm word playing on "roué" = "A man who recklessly indulges in sensual pleasures"
    I'm not getting yours unless it's the Tolstoy ref?
  12. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    I'm struggling to think of any realistic or likely scenarios that don't include some combination of grooming, drugs or coercion. Any ideas?

    To ask a slightly different question: why might a 17 year-old girl find herself at a party for 40+ year-old men, at the home of a convicted child rapist and procurer of underage girls?
  13. Bart

    Bart pfm Member

    There’s no such thing as ‘a 17 year old girl’, I know nothing of this one but some 17 year olds are extremely street-wise and may well have their own reasons for being in such a situation involving personal advancement and making easy money.
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I suspect you will find lawyers disagree!
  15. Bart

    Bart pfm Member

    Some lawyers may, others won’t, depends which side is hiring them.
  16. MikeMA

    MikeMA pfm Member

    Your list, plus money, possibly?
  17. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    if I saw a male acquaintance in a photograph with his had around the naked waist of a 17 yr old in the same manner as Prince Andrew, I would not allow that man to be alone with any daughter of mine.
  18. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Let's face it, we all know somewhere some chick involved with a rich old fart whose blood sometimes migrates from his brain downwards, and where it's clear that she is the boss of the two. While I think that she's absolutely right to take financial advantage of that dirty idiot, I also mean that young girls are by far not always the innocent victims some do-gooders want to make them look like. When perversion is involved on both sides, I let them live their lives but don't expect me to feel sorry for any of the two if things turn sour.

    I won't go as far as liking your post, Vuk, but I wouldn't dislike it either if there were such a button. The only problem I have with it is the 'take them down' bit. Does the average Briton want this ?
  19. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley


    One from the ark there!
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  20. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Girl, woman, spouse, whatever. Remember I am not a native English writer so I don't always know about the connotation of terms. But I guess it's safe to say that a 17-year-old *****ing an old fart for his money can be called a chick.

    Before someone jumps on the opportunity: The line above has nothing to do with the blonde appearing with Andrew, I don't know anything about her.

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