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Prince Andrew allegations not going away...

Discussion in 'off topic' started by gavreid, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    How did that pan out for Charles I?
     
  2. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    How is that relevant to the Law today?
     
  3. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Mm, the Vatican has been rather dodgy on the whole sex thing for a while, been quite widely reported.
     
  4. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    To clarify, I am aware that there are bad people in the world, I am not an innocent. I was referring to people on here who I expect to be relatively educated & erudite on such matters.

    Justice is 'beyond reasonable doubt', think we have ticked that box as far as Andrew is concerned.
     
  5. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    Even in 1649 when the monarch had greater immunity than after the Crown Proceedings Act 1947 was passed they may still be subject to prosecution / trial despite being above the law (whatever that actually means).
     
  6. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    The monarch is not subject to criminal prosecution, even by the Act you refer to.
     
  7. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    Thanks for the correction. To bring it back to topic though, it only applies to the monarch and so Prince Andrew would not be immune though?
     
  8. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Crown Proceedings Act deals with suing the Crown for in Civil Cases only. The Monarch cannot be subject to criminal prosecution.

    edit: As Bob said.
     
  9. Cav

    Cav pfm Member

    Correct.
     
  10. avole

    avole The wise never post on Internet forums

    Um - she had to give her signature and accord. She stood above the GG in terms of the hierarchy Frankly, she probable didn’t and doesn’t read more than5% of what she signs.
     
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  11. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    Well, for a while he thought he was just ahead - and then he was.
     
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  12. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    Any evidence to prove she had to sign it as the wiki article implies otherwise

     
  13. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    I guess he could be imprisoned at his mother’s pleasure, not very likely though. It’ll be interesting if the US requests his extradition.
     
  14. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

  15. oldius

    oldius I miss baked beans and brown sauce.

    The Westminster dossier was allegedly lost. Jeffrey Epstein allegedly committed suicide while in custody. It would be easy to think that dark forces were at play rather than these pure coincidences that occurred.
     
  16. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Money. Just money. Offer a substantial sum of it to a decently sized group of 17 year old girls and some of them will take it. They don't all have to sign up, remember. No grooming is required, just normal human greed. It's just the same as Paul's example of the teenage prostitutes in Rome.

    I used to work with a guy who did some photography on a semi-pro basis. One or two of his models did some "escort" work on the side. One in particular, a student, used to travel up to Edinburgh to meet a man every couple of months or so. Train paid for, hotel paid for, dinner, champagne, go home on Sunday with £2k in her pocket. She knew exactly what she was doing, so did he. In the real and imperfect world in which we live, you don't have to do any grooming or drugs or coercion to get people to do stuff they otherwise wouldn't choose to, if you start waving money about. I work in food factories, remember. I look at what people endure for £8 an hour, week in week out, on shifts, freezing cold, repetitive, noisy, horrible work. Offer £2k, about 2 months of this hell, in exchange for a weekend in a hotel room with some fat businessman, and you won't have to look far, trust me. Would I prefer that it wasn't so? Yes, of course. However as I say this is the real world, I don't make the rules.
     
  17. oldius

    oldius I miss baked beans and brown sauce.

    And an adult can make that informed choice, without question. It is alleged though that some of the women involved were less than 16, at the time of their recruitment. It is also alleged that some of those women were recruited under threat to their personal safety, and that of their families. It is also alleged that the current leader of the western world was a part of making those threats. This is a monumental case where one of the leading witnesses has allegedly committed suicide while in custody.
     
  18. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    I think that is the male view of it, it is probably more complicated than that. I find the whole idea of female student hooking to be a pretty grim inditement of society & the attitudes of certain males. I am really not at all 'right on' but can see how this can have massive repurcussions for those involved.

    I am pretty sure people don't just wake up one morning & say, "think I'll try a bit of prostitution today". It is just a simple abuse of power, society should see it as wholly unacceptable & no apologies should be made.
     
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  19. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    If you know the right (or wrong) people in any city you can have someone killed for a few hundred quid. It is apparently one of the ways in which drug dealers settle scores, anyone who reads the BBC or any other outlet will know that this is going on. Nobody wakes up thinking "think I'll carry out a murder today", nobody decides to turn to prostitution on a whim, but plenty of people wake up thinking "Christ, how on earth can I ever pay for X Y and Z" and plenty more wake up thinking "I just can't carry on in that bloody awful job, there has to be a better way." Nobody lives in a vacuum, someone comes along and says "I know someone who can get you £X hundred, maybe £X thousand, cash, no questions asked."
     
  20. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    To the best of my knowledge, she didn't have to do any such thing. The GG in Commonwealth countries acts as her representative, with the same powers, and can act independently. For example, the GG gives the Royal Assent to Acts of Parliament in Canberra, without reference to the Queen, thus making them law.
     

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