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Remainers for No Deal

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Seanm, Aug 10, 2019.

  1. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    ^I distinctly remember seanm saying that there was no point in worrying about a no-deal Brexit as it was just a bluff. Is that still your position now Sean?
  2. andrewd

    andrewd pfm Member

    Bojo says it’s a one in a million chance. I am sure he is a man who is prepared to put his money where his mouth is so I will post him a tenner, and expect a ten million pound dividend if no deal eventuates.
  3. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

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  4. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    ..”million to one chances happen nine times out of ten”
  5. Swamp Thing

    Swamp Thing Remainiac Terrorist

    Better questions for a better Britain

    1. How would you prevent Brexit?
    2. How would you use the prevention of Brexit to get the Conservative party to tear itself apart?
    3. How would you use the prevention of Brexit to get the Labour party to tear itself apart?
    4. What kind of proportional representation would you use to change party politics in the UK?
    5. What legislation is required to ensure truth-telling and rectitude in politicians and the press in the future?

    (20 marks for this section)
  6. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    No, not at all, just someone who has a voting record that shows that she’s voted for austerity, for privatisation, for cuts to welfare, for lowering corporation tax, for cuts so social provision, and up until recently, voted against all women shortlists. Her position is clearly a long way away from left of centre.
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  7. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    No that’s not really it. Labour has all-women shortlists and a lot of high profile MPs as a result: the next leader is very likely to be a woman. Women are well-represented at every level. Labour also support policies (e.g. national social care service, workplace democracy, right to flexible working, abolition of zero hours contracts, reversal of austerity) that support women.

    Swinson resisted all-women shortlists until they couldn’t be resisted any longer and is still a big fan of austerity, which disproportionately affects women.

    On the other hand she’d like to see more statues of women. Her priorities here are clear and I guess it’s up to voters to decide whether or not they share them.
  8. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    Is Keir Starmer having the op?
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  9. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    So, one day Labour will be the last major UK party to have a female leader, and in the meantime they’ll mansplain feminism to all the other parties that have already jumped this hurdle.
  10. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Still a bluff but under this regime a more serious one.
  11. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    VONC, caretaker government led by Corbyn to organise GE and ref. Then, for preference, Labour-negotiated deal (I.e. very soft Brexit) vs remain on ballot. Zero possibility of no deal.
  12. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    If that’s more important to you than institutional equality and policies that support women then go for it: like I said it’s about priorities. Apologies if this is mansplaining.
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  13. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Do you really think Corbyn would get a sufficient number of Tories voting for him? I can’t see it myself.
  14. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    I think you have seriously misunderstood the fact that for Boris and the ERG Brexit jihadists that are now in control, they are deadly serious about No Deal. They always have been and now they are in power, it's more likely than ever.

    If this is Labour's general interpretation of events (i.e. that No Deal is a bluff) it could explain a lot.
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  15. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    And for a bonus 5 marks, show your decision tree.
  16. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    I agree with you that the ERG want no deal. I'm not so sure about Boris. You can discount pretty much 100% of what comes out of his mouth (and pen). Boris clearly wants what is best for Boris. I have a hard time imagining why he would want to be the PM during and after a no-deal Brexit because it would appear to be a poison chalice sort of job, and he seems like a pretty bright chap - too bright to think that sunny uplands will really be the outcome of a no deal Brexit. However I'll freely admit that I'm not very good at figuring out the motives of the truly Machiavellian types - maybe because I'm not one myself. I can't see any good outcomes for Boris (unless he's happy to be as universally hated as May was at the end of her tenure).

    The most plausible prediction I've read is a snap election, Boris increases his majority, no longer needs the DUP and we have a hard border in the Irish sea - so we get May's deal without the backstop and a customs-unifed Ireland.
  17. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Dunno what Labour’s interpretation is, mine is that it’s a mistake to think that the ERG is in charge. To the degree that anyone’s in charge of the Conservative Party it’s Dominic Cummings, but actually nobody’s in charge. And the Conservative Party itself is barely in charge of anything. Even if there were a coherent, disciplined strategy for no deal, Parliament could still stop it: the biggest danger lies in the smaller remain parties buying into their own BS.
  18. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    If it’s made clear that it’s a caretaker government, and if they’re serious.
  19. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Yes that is most likely his game plan. And to be honest the best outcome possible now apart from him and Farage dropping dead.
  20. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    But why would this be better than a Labour government and an outside chance of a very soft Brexit at worst, and the likelihood of remain? I mean, this is still not only possible but probable in the case of an election: all remainers have to do is seize their chance.
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