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Roon, tell me about it

Discussion in 'audio' started by manicatel, May 12, 2019.

  1. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Happy to hear it James, sharing... tis what its all about!

    IIRC you can schedule it to perform backups via IP so it should be simple to do. I personally do backups via USB when i add approx 5+ albums. This is stored away 'safe'ly :)

    The other cool thing is to use QNAPs multimedia software. Stick another 1TB SSD into it and use it for Smart TV/film library etc.
    I also have Asset 6.2 UPnP installed so functions as a 'networked player' for all other purposes. It's the 'home-hub' for all media platforms... it's on 24/7 and is totally silent.

    I have three drives mapped from the NAS which can be accessed wired or via WiFi
    1 for Music (M:drive)
    1 for Film (F:drive)
    1 for Photo (p:drive)
    Last edited: May 13, 2019
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  2. March Audio

    March Audio Trade: March Audio

    They seemed to conveniently forget the environmental cost of physically distributing said plastic based formats and the impact of disposal.
  3. March Audio

    March Audio Trade: March Audio

  4. rockingdoc

    rockingdoc pfm Member

    I, and more importantly my wife, like the user interface of Roon so much that it is now leading my hardware choices.

    Previously did not appreciate how much the ready flow of information about the albums could enhance the listening pleasure
    It’s almost as good as having the album sleeves to read.
  5. marshanp

    marshanp ellipsis addict

    Ah, the old simplistic neo-liberal line... :rolleyes:
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  6. AndyU

    AndyU pfm Member

    How do you organize your favourites in Qobuz so you can find stuff again, and so that it fits your way of structuring your collection? I too am very happy with Qobuz, but the more I used it the more the absence of any way of organising my favourites annoyed me. With Roon, your favourite Qobuz releases become part of your library just as though they were your own CDs which greatly helps finding stuff. Plus controlling the whole lot from my iPad is nice - Qobuz itself doesn’t have a useful remote app. I don’t have a problem subscribing to software anymore than I have a problem subscribing to Qobuz. I already subscribe to Microsoft Office, to Dropbox, to Netflix, to iCloud .. and to where I live, though they call it rent.
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  7. uncl_nigel

    uncl_nigel pfm Member

    I used Roon at the Munich show on several occasions each day and dislike it.

    Too much information makes finding the specific song I am after difficult. (I tend to know what I want to listen to)

    What's worse, when searching Tidal with Room for songs I knew they had it did not always find them despite typing in the exact title with the exact spelling... I had to use circuitous routes to find what I wanted to listen to whereas searching Tidal with the Moon app at home takes me straight to the same songs.
    Last edited: May 13, 2019
  8. tuga

    tuga European

    That can be, and often is, measurably worse than doing the up/oversampling and filtering and noise-shaping and EQ'ing before the DAC.
    Most DACs up/oversample anyway, and those that use SDM chips also convert PCM to DSD.
  9. marshanp

    marshanp ellipsis addict

    The inability of Qobuz to present my favourites in a variety of ways useful to me (e.g. by composer surname) is one of its few failings. However, I tend to have musical enthusiasms in which I am focussed upon one area or another (e.g. lesser-known Scandinavian symphonists)... and then I move on to something else... so it isn't a major drawback for the way that I use it. The range of recordings available for 20 quid a month is astonishing, and saves me money. I can see that this might be a problem for artists, but in the classical world selling "albums" no longer seems to be a determining factor in financial viability, if it ever was.

    "I tend to know what I want to listen to"...

    Likewise. I can see that rock/pop listeners are in a rather different marketplace, with music being created all the time which may not be easy, however rewarding, to become aware of. Classical is not like that; the last really good new orchestral composition I've heard was written in 2014 (Anna Clyne - Night Ferry, if you want to know...).
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  10. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    It can do that too, if you like.
  11. firedog

    firedog pfm Member

    I have my doubts that any of these kinds of calculations we see in the press are worth much. The article itself acknowledges that there are lots of factors not taken into account. The headline is mostly just click bait. The most important point in the article is that server farms use lots of electricity and we should be mindful of how that electricity is being produced.
  12. firedog

    firedog pfm Member

    I think that's more telling about Tidal and how it's database is setup than Roon. The Tidal app itself has the same issue - no Roon involved
  13. HabUK

    HabUK pfm Member

    Indeed, often run into this problem
  14. March Audio

    March Audio Trade: March Audio

    Which has nothing to do with the fundamental playback effectiveness and accuracy of the player. However Roon can do all of that and integrate hq player if you so wish.

    It's for another thread but I would debate with you the real world benefit of external upsampling.
  15. tuga

    tuga European

  16. Sloop John B

    Sloop John B pfm Member

    I see the “sliced bread, who needs it” brigade are once again out in full force.

    And those poor knife makers, what ever will they do?

    And sure can’t I slice it myself and save money.

    It just doesn’t taste the same.

    What knife do you use to cut it?

  17. March Audio

    March Audio Trade: March Audio

    That's a lot of measurements of out of band signals, ie inaudible.

    They are only a potential issue if the subsequent amplifier is of poor design and doesn't have appropriate input filtering. If you have problems with that you are likely to have problems with general RF noise. Just hope you don't live near the radio 4 long wave 198kHz 500kW transmitter ;)

    NOS mode is dumb. You need appropriate output filtering. That's why the IM 19+20 kHz test with images above in the transition band are so high. They are also not in any way a realistic test because no music has content at that frequency at such a high level.

    Don't get me started on the red herring of filter ringing.

    This is really for another thread
    Last edited: May 14, 2019
  18. uncl_nigel

    uncl_nigel pfm Member

    Not at all.
    I am talking about accessing Tidal via Roon or through the app provided by the hardware manufacturer on the same day within less than an hour of each attempt to locate several specific songs I know to be available on Tidal.
    Using the hardware manufacturer's app I found the songs first time, using Roon I did not find them first time but had to use a circuitous route involving finding the artist, then a specific album and finally the song - a right royal pain!

    Just like googling "Buckingham Palace" and getting a nothing found answer...
  19. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    Do you have an example?
  20. tuga

    tuga European

    Maybe we should start one with with the following title:

    But if you do the processing on a computer NOS is really all you need from a DAC (digital to analogue conversion).

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