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The rise of the far-right

Discussion in 'off topic' started by stephen bennett, Sep 10, 2018.

  1. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

     
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  2. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    The Independent says 2,000 people went along to the Brexit Betrayal march with Tommy Robinson, Batten, the EDL and UKIP. The counter demo got 15,000, according to Momentum.

    There are no police figures. The BBC broadcast footage of the racists, but none of the anti-Nazis. Typical really. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...p-met-police-london-theresa-may-a8674561.html

    The two demos crystallize what the Brexit debate is all about for me - racists vs anti-racists.

    Jack
     
  3. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Yes exactly. An absolute shedload of international cash, very active social media promotion, energetic international co-ordination and endless hype and mainstreaming from the BBC, all at a time of maximum Brexit tension, and this is the best they can do. ____ers! An excellent sign.
     
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  4. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Well, other things come in small quantities too- poison for example.
     
  5. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    Maybe, but it's not that long ago that a far right rally would have been a) held somewhere pretty obscure and b) attracted maybe a few dozen supporters, most of whom would have worn scarves over their faces. Open far-right racism and aggressive posturing, and a couple of thousand attendees, is still a worrying trend.
     
  6. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Not to mention their attack (filmed by them) on the bookshop in London earlier this year,

    “The owners of Britain’s largest socialist bookshop, Bookmarks, have said the store was attacked by far-right protesters wearing masks who wrecked displays and ripped up books and magazines”.
    -The Guardian.
     
  7. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

  8. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...pJobID=1540821752&spReportId=MTU0MDgyMTc1MgS2

     
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  9. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    Who the hell are these "more meritocratic and diverse and secular successors" of which he speaks? Obama the blatantly unwise and incompetent?

    In any case, he can't mean one single person in the current administration.

    That said, an age is passing. Not the age of the WASPs, though. The age of the West. Immigration, btw, is not the problem.
     
  10. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    You know, quoting that piece where it's telling about what Ross Douthat said rather misrepresents it. The author elaborates a much smarter position. Allow me to offer a more representative taste by quoting the last sentence:
     
  11. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    Not my point at all. Merely that the present replacement for the WASPs is even worse.
     
  12. Hook

    Hook Blackbeard's former bo'sun.

    Fareed, certainly no fan of the WASPs, agrees.

     
  13. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    that's some incredibly uncle-tommery there.
     
  14. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Some very interesting discussion on this on 'This Week' as I type.
     
  15. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    It was going so well until it degenerated into a slanging match about the Spectator.
     
  16. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Which Andrew Neill used his BBC power to shut down.

    The bottom line here is that Neill will tolerate 'cross party' discussion and debate, but will always shut it down before it gets close to the substance of the argument against a permanent Tory ascendancy.

    At the end of it all.. he's just another, albeit more subtle, establishment stooge.
     
  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’m running late on iPlayer as a friend phoned up, Owen Jones talks a lot of sense as ever, and Portillo is the vile right-wing gobshite I’ve come to expect of late. A decade or so ago he had a slight personality ‘blip’ and almost seemed decent, but he is now back being the exact opposite IMO.

    PS I thought Nish Kumar was superb on QT, absolutely battered both Melanie Philips and the idiot James Cleverly.
     
  18. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    He tried, but Owen kept on keeping on. :)
     
  19. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    Yes, I think that too - I'm not sure what's happened there.

    He speaks a lot of sense. Perhaps it's because he's not a politician worried about votes.
     
  20. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Until there was a scene change and after which the conversation only featured Neill, Portaloo and Liz Kendall.......
    In my mind I imagined a couple of BBC 'heavies' frogmarching Owen out of the studio..
     

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