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This Jeffrey Epstein thing...

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ff1d1l, Aug 10, 2019.

  1. maxflinn

    maxflinn pfm Member

    He felt he had to go to a convicted paedophile to personally explain that he couldn't any longer be seen with this convicted paedophile, because he was now a convicted paedophile, before then going to stay overnight in his home.

    This after saying he had completely terminated all contact once he heard said paedophile was under investigation as contact would have been inappropriate.

    Total and utter nonsense!
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2019
  2. foxwelljsly

    foxwelljsly Keep Music Vile

    I wonder if William and Harry are warning their kids about uncle Andrew?
  3. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Asked why he had to spend 4 days at Epstein’s mansion, which Andrew described as a “railway station” of people, including young girls, constantly coming and going, he said, “My judgement was coloured by my tendency to be too honourable”. The reason he went to the mansion was to do the honourable thing and tell Epstein face to face that it was over before going on to say that the only reason he went there was to visit Maxwell.
  4. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    Andrew is gaslighting the nation. Probably rehearsing for the court case.

    It does seem the Windsors have a liking for a certain type of man...

  5. Bart

    Bart pfm Member

    Andrew couldn’t have done it as he was at Pizza Express with his children that night, ( no doubt lots of witnesses) and there’s no way he could have slipped out of the house later and gone to a night club because as we all know they close at 9:30 p.m.
  6. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    For a more hands on attitude to paedophiles, see here for Prince Charles support for paedophile Bishop Ball.

    it seems the brothers have form
  7. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    It's difficult to tell from the reports. Although many start off with a strapline about Andrew having sex with her, reading the news reports, it states she claims to have been "sexually abused" by him three times which could be rape or sexual assault (depending on which country's laws are applicable).

    2000+ pages of Giuffre's testimony here: https://www.businessinsider.com/eps...ousands-documents-defamation-2019-8?r=US&IR=T

    Biggest problem in all of this is it all boils down to personal statements and little in the way of corroborating evidence and that which does exist does not fully support the accusations.
  8. manicatel

    manicatel pfm Member

    I met Prince Andrew once.
    In my admittedly limited experience, I found him to be the worst kind of over-entitled person.
    Extremely arrogant, full of self importance, pompous. Clearly living the privileged life that title, rather than ability affords him.
    Yes, the very upper echelons of society can frequently behave in this way, but he certainly maximises his entitlement.
    It appears the bbc interview has not done him any favours, as he seems to eschewed professional PR advice, gone it alone & come unstuck.
    I guess it will all blow over, but the allegations of impropriety do not surprise me at all.
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  9. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    Aren't we talking two different worlds here and trying to make them one.

    I remember innocently stopping in the run down back streets of Birmingham for a sandwich one evening.
    Next thing I'm being chased round the block by a cracked out demented female.

    Stay in a 5 star business hotel and the ladies are from the opposite spectrum.

    So I'm led to believe.

    Prince Andrews encounter would not be in the back streets of Birmingham or such like.

    Interesting that for all Prince Andrews priveledges he has no wherewithal to dig himself out of a hole he's walked into.
  10. manicatel

    manicatel pfm Member

    The terms prostitution, child pornography etc don’t necessarily imply that the people involved are being coerced into the acts involved. It allows people to believe that they are there of their own free will.
    The frequent & sordid truth is that very young girls & women are groomed or trafficked into these businesses against their will & their entire life is controlled by pimps, drug dealers & violent gang leaders.
    For every “Pretty Woman” scenario of an adult woman fully in control of her career in the sex industry, there are so many more who are forced into that life against their will, and often at an obscenely young age.
  11. Ken C

    Ken C pfm Member

    May I seek help from those who understand deeper meanings and perhaps even legal interpretation, please.

    I was expecting Prince Andrew to simply categorically deny having (probably un consensual) sex with a minor.

    However, his response was somewhat nuanced. That is 'He doesn't recollect... bla bla blah"

    For such a potentially significant event in ones timeline, one would have thought this cant be a matter or 'recollection'. Either it happened, or it didn't. There is no middle ground (where recollection might play a part) in my view.

    I am interested in the deeper legal meaning of this 'don't recollect cop out since I have heard it used quite a few times lately in other contexts in the US. Can anyone (other than the deeply connected high echelons) make what seems to me a totally content-free response to an allegation? If I were an investigator such an answer just means more investigations required.

    What think ye clever people?

  12. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    It’s not up to Andrew to justify his ‘don’t remember’ defence, it’s up to the prosecution to prove he did have sex with an under age girl.
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  13. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    The saying 'when you are in a hole stop digging' applied before the interview. Whenever royalty have veered away from the tried and tested simple model of turning up at a venue, have an unrecorded chat with a few peasants, shake hands and then head off in the motor for some scran they have hit problems.
    foxwelljsly likes this.
  14. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    It is not a 'career' anyone would wish for their daughter is it? A friend of mine is a Barrister, he likens Prince Andrew to some of the 'punters' he encounters regularly at the criminal bar.
  15. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    P. A. has walked willingly into the journalistic trap.

    If you listened to the likes of Nick Ferrari trying to draw contrition from Esther McVey over the Universal Benefit failings, you get none.

    Thereby lies the story. Job done.

    I would have thought a life of prominency in the public eye would have taught him that trick, and how you deal with it, by now.

    Emily makes a killing.

    Not all women are victims. Sorry to inform some posters here.
    Frankiesays and Dowser like this.
  16. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    IANAL, however the "don't recall" is legally safer than "I did not" . The latter is a fact, if it's disproved then you are either lying or otherwise unreliable. Since memories come and go, it's easier to wriggle out. Do I remember such and such a person, hmm no. never met John Smith , as far as I recall. Well, heres a picture of you at a party with them, what now? "Oh, *that* John Smith, yes now you mention it..."

    If I suddenly remember, I'm not changing my story, because I didn't say I never had, just that I didn't remember when asked. Having thought about it, well maybe I do.
    Bob McC likes this.
  17. Ken C

    Ken C pfm Member

    thanks steve67:
    I believe you hit the nail on the head for me -- why would PA want to give a 'safer' answer here. I find it very hard to believe that the alleged act is something that can be 'forgotten', if it happened at all. If the allegation are completely false, then there is no need for a 'safe' answer in my view.

  18. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator


    I’ve removed a fair few posts and hoofed a poster for a month in an attempt to get this thread back to a reasonable standard.
  19. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    I’m going to bow out of this conversation for now...I need a shower
    Bob McC and Sue Pertwee-Tyr like this.
  20. Rob998

    Rob998 Scimmia Nordoccidentale

    Should have left them to show the calibre of the man, for future reference, imho.

    And as for Nonce Andrew "not recalling", that means he's not sure if there's photo/video evidence.
    maxflinn likes this.

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