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Time for a motorbike list

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Rasher, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    How many engines had bimota brought to market before the Vee Due?
     
  2. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Believe it or not the thing tells you to change up before 1500 on a light throttle, so you do, then you ease off for a corner and brrrrrrrrrr, hello Massey Ferguson. Nasty thing, a petrol car doesn't do that and you can rev it beyond 5k.
     
  3. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    Ah - if you mean the arrows (eg 3->4) on the display in front of you, they are not obligatory. I ignore them on my VAG diesel car and change gear when I think I should, with absolutely no ill effects.
     
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  4. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Well, yes, I've learned to ignore it too, I know it's not obligatory and I know it won't harm anything, but diesels are about efficiency. They also suffer from NVH, similar petrol engines driven at low speed don't.
     
  5. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    I get an indicated long term 58 mpg from my 2.0TDi even though I ignore the suggestions to change up, which seems efficient enough to me. I have no idea what NVH is though, so I may suffer from it and not realize!
     
  6. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Noise, Vibration and Harshness. I had plenty this week. Every time I am given a Golf hire car I want to like it, every time I fail. Last week's wheels was a petrol Kia, 50 mpg, all the toys, dirt cheap, great car. This week a Golf, couldn't wait to give it back. VWs marketing is bloody fantastic, everyone believes that their cars outperform the competition by a mile, every time I drive one I realise that they don't. Not since about 1988 in my experience.
     
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  7. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    It's interesting because mainly with the golf I remember ads that reference the past, when they were good. I don't recall any ads saying that they offer great german build quality etc That now seems burned into our perception forever without them needing to mention it. Like you say, the MK1 and 2 were better put together than the rest, then they started getting caught up. However, my business partner has the latest GTi and my missus has a 500 Abarth. It's defo a better car than the Abarth. But I prefer the Abarth. The latest GTi is a boring looking, accomplished car. No looks and no personality.
     
  8. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    It's a UK thing. The Germans don't perceive the Golf or any VW as being any better than the opposition. As you say the Mk1 and especially the Mk2 were great cars, they were the first manufacturer to really sort paint and corrosion. I remember seeing a very well used 80s Golf 2 on a ramp having an MoT in about 2002, it was as solid as a rock underneath and the paint was excellent, even though it was faded and scuffed. Similar Fiestas and Escorts were in holes by then, in fact I remember having a well cared for 1986 Fiesta that had its first perforation rust hole in 1992.
     
  9. -alan-

    -alan- pfm Member

    Meanwhile back on the motorbike front..

    Not great weather for riding them round here at the moment - but good enough for faffing round a cold garage with a laptop, an OB2 cable, and some free TuneEcu software:

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    Quite impressive (to a numpty like me). You can not only read countless parameters on the engine, fuelling and cooling systems - but do things like open and close the exhaust exup valve and inlet air flap in the nose with a press on the keyboard. Little amuses the innocent :)

    Have held off wiping the current map from the ecu and loading something much more anti-social for the moment - largely because (a) I'm chicken, and (b) the d*mn thing's more than quick enough for me at present anyway. Still - the options there..
     
  10. Mr Tibbs

    Mr Tibbs Infinitely Baffled Member

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    Ducatiman, I was at a track day back in 2000 when I had another RS250 which was mechanically sound (but less good cosmetically and used only as a track day bike) when I got chatting to the guy who owned this mint Mk1 RS, then somehow persuaded him to sell it to me for £2k. The Aprilia Challenge Cup was on the go at the time and he wanted the cash to buy a new 'Cup Spec' RS250.

    Steve, I've a lot of respect for the likes of the Fireblade and R1 and have ridden a 'Blade and R6 on road and track, but the RS can fairly easily out-corner and out-brake them. With about 50kg less weight and the same brakes as the legendary Ducati 916 it's not hard to understand why. The RS absolutely comes alive when kept in the power band (8 - 12k RPM) and makes rapid progress either on road or track. But it's when you try to ride the thing at 'sensible' speeds that it begins to lose some of its appeal, when compared to bikes that have a fairly decent spread of torque - and that's almost every 4 stroke bike of 500cc and up.

    h.g. , A lot of RS250s ended up being raced by clubmen or used as track day tools, therefore undamaged minty examples are becoming collectible - hence the upward price trend. I know someone local who's asked for first refusal on mine if I ever sell it and he's willing to pay more than double what I paid for it! Cant see me ever selling it though as it's a fun thing to own and a hoot to ride on a coast road on a Sunday morning before the traffic spoils the flow.

    Mr Tibbs
     
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  11. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Presumably the best riding is between 0500 and 0800 on summer Sundays?
     
  12. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    Does anyone own a Harley, please? I have a new product ready for market and am looking for a guinea pig to test it.
     
  13. G T Audio

    G T Audio Trade: Distributor and Manufacturer

    Owned in the past:
    Harley Davidson Road King Classic - 1999
    Ducati 748S - 2001
    Buell XB9 Firebolt - 2002
    Triumph Daytona 600 - 2003
    Triumph Daytona 955 - 2004
    Honda CB1300 - 2004
    Yamaha R1 - 2004
    Yamaha MT-01 - 2005
    BMW K1200S - 2005
    Ducati 750SS - 2008
    BMW F800S - 2008
    Triumph Bonneville - 2009
    Yamaha MT-01 - 2010
    Harley Davidson Softail Breakout - 2013

    Currently own:
    Zero Engineering Type 5.2 - 2017>
    Harley Davidson Softail Deluxe - 2017>
     
  14. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    does the Harley have hydraulic or cable clutch?
     
  15. G T Audio

    G T Audio Trade: Distributor and Manufacturer

    Cable. Only the big touring Harleys have hydraulic clutches now...
     
  16. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    Did you have the V rod engine ever? I have just designed a slave cylinder for it and am keen to contact owners.
     
  17. h.g.

    h.g. pfm Member

    As a long out-of-touch biker what is the current view of Harley-Davidsons and the folk that ride them?
     
  18. -alan-

    -alan- pfm Member

    I think there's a UK Vrod group on Facebook Rich, might be worth a look.
    1130cc.com was one of the bigger US forums. Still a bit of life on there, but numbers have reduced when the Vrod was quietly dropped in favour of more of the traditional 45deg airhead engines.
     
  19. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    Thanks, we designed this slave knowing (assuming?) that they churned out a lot of these motors and that the clutches are heavy. I did a back of fag packet calculation and think the might have made 1 million bikes with the hydraulic clutch....

    Do you have a link to this group? I can only find other Harley V-Rod groups or different models.
     
  20. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    Not a rider...but an observer, working in the industry. They are trying to catch up whilst holding onto core values in design.....the Ducati Diavel has taken a slice of the big cruiser market. And it shows Harley a clean pair of heels in straight lines and round corners. Not sure why Harley can't sort one as good.
     

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