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Tone Poet Blue Notes

Discussion in 'music' started by poco a poco, Feb 26, 2019.

  1. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    Yes the Dexter Gordon as Stunsworth says or the very first Wayne Shorter - 'Etcetera'. The sound quality of the Blue Note 80's (see BN80 thread) in most cases is as good, all mastered by Kevin Gray as with the Tone Poets, but sleeves etc. are not as lavish and the inner sleeves are a bit of a pain due to static. These are quite a bit cheaper. For great saxophonists records on there try Johnny Griffin - 'Introducing' and Joe Henderson - 'In & Out' also a little 'freer' Pete La Roca - Basra, that features Joe Henderson.
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  2. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    As Poco a Poco says the BN80 releases are very good - and like the Tone Poets were mastered from the original master tapes.

    All of these albums are available to stream if you want to 'try before you buy'. Just make sure you listen to the Blue Note version as there can be pirated versions of the older albums.
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  3. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    Definitely Clubhouse and Etcetera. The two quiet tracks on both these releases, Shorter's 'Penelope' and Gordon's 'I'm a Fool to Want You' are a must for any saxophone lover, and the vinyl mastering is state of the art. The Tina Brooks, Sam Rivers, and Joe Henderson releases are all excellent also, and Lee Morgan's Cornbread has some great playing by Hank Mobley and Jackie Mclean. I also really love Pepper Adams's Baritone sax on Donald Byrd's 'Chant'.

    You have some treats ahead, but your bank balance will suffer.
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  4. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    Well it seems there is something that is causing a delay here as well. Possibly a knock on effect From the above? I have not yet had a change of date on the Tone Poets, but Amazon have emailed me to say all the February BN80's will now be released on 17th March.
  5. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

  6. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    I expect they can't afford new licences from Blue Note / Universal or they do not want to issue new licences since they have taken things in house with the Tone Poets & BN80's. Apparently they are only initially pressing 500 of each. They are using new stampers, but made from the original mother. The only one I might have been interested in is Blue Train, but that is already sold out in a few days. I don't really need it as I have two stereos and a mono, but not MM and at the $75 plus postage and duty in the U.K. these are very expensive here now.

    I have 10 of those listed on the previously issued MM 2x45's and all of them except 2, Inner Urge and Adams Apple, in reasonable other pressings so as they say on Dragons Den - I'm Out. ;)
  7. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    As Graham's link also shows the 2019 SRX's with the 2020 ones and the 'Out of Stock' listing for the others really means not released yet, here is their official release schedule. Apparently the Coltrane release is the second half of the delivery of the 2019 SRX due from RTI that was late. Not sure if they are going to press another 500 as well?

    Release Schedule
    • Art Blakey - "Moanin’ SRX - January
    • John Coltrane - "Blue Train" SRX - January
    • Lee Morgan - "Search for the New Land" SRX - February
    • Hank Mobley - "Soul Station" SRX - February
    • Grant Green - "Idle Moments" SRX - March
    • Herbie Hancock - "Maiden Voyage" SRX - March
    • Lee Morgan - "The Sidewinder" SRX - April
    • Cannonball Adderley - "Somethin’ Else" SRX - April
    • Wayne Shorter - "Speak No Evil" SRX - May
    • Kenny Burrell - " Midnight Blue" SRX - May
    Still at probably about £85 or more each with delivery and duty I don't think there will be many UK buyers?
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  8. scotty38

    scotty38 pfm Member

    Agree with you there, as nice as they are I'm spending enough on BN80 and Tone Poets as it is :)
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  9. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    Just noticed that Amazon UK price hasn’t moved. Very strange as Dealer Price hasn’t changed from previous releases (confirmed with my local Record shop)
  10. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    It’s also odd that one of the two releases is at the expected price. I’m going to hold off ordering to see what happens after release.
  11. scotty38

    scotty38 pfm Member

    Assume you mean "Poppin" but that's £33.80 now, I pre-ordered at £30.87, same as the other one, so that's gone up too....
  12. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    I know what you mean - the two releases at the end of Feb are around £31.
  13. kjb

    kjb pfm Member

    If you add into the equation the fact that a lot of recent ECM vinyl is now out for under £17, at least on Amazon, the BNs look slightly less tempting.


    To my ears the ECM recordings sound close to as good as the BNs, the pressings are pretty reliable and, in many cases, the music is a bit richer than some of the second division stuff BN are charging a premium for.

    On a side note, if you go to 1.50 of the clip below and see the array of mic's Lovano is surrounded by you get an idea of how the atmosphere of ECM recordings is captured.

  14. Theo

    Theo pfm Member

    Spot on: I have most of these as MM 2x45rpm releases. I thought they were steep at £45-50 when I got them, and I'm certainly not going to stretch to £85. I'm also far more selective in my BN80 and Tone Poet purchases too.
  15. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    I think they are likely to be even higher than £85 minimum I suggested if you end up paying full import duties. A guy in Germany says it is 125 euros to import to Berlin. That is about £96 + possible bank charge exchange rate conversion. Ouch!

    I need to be more selective as well with the Tone Poets and BN80's. I have passed on a couple, but still ended up with some that will not get much turntable time here. I should be cutting down on my spending, but the as Kevin mentions there are other good things about like the ECM recordings.

    I have some early ECM releases that I bought originally when issued on vinyl and a few later issues on CD, but none in duplicate to compare. As ECM have recorded digitally almost from their start I wonder if there is any benefit from buying them as vinyl copies. Has any one compared ECM vinyl to CD or high res. download? Not that I do streaming at the moment.
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  16. kjb

    kjb pfm Member

    The only ECM recording I've got on both CD and vinyl is Anouar Brahem's Blue Maqams. There are differences between the two but it is difficult to say whether this is the hardware ( Rega Saturn via Audio Note DAC v Gyro SE with Dynavector cart). Both sound very good to me but the vinyl playback presents a richer more instrumental texture/ timbre and a greater sense of space around the instruments but they do sound a little less clearly defined yet at the same time larger. The CD has a crispness. Rhythmically, there's not much in it.

    The issue about analogue v digital and vinyl v cd is interesting. For the most part I'm a big fan of the sound of ECM on CD - I'm listening to Leo Smith's Divine Love as I type this. I've never been sure if its a worth getting digital recordings on vinyl. There is an aesthetic factor I guess and I know others here think, in some cases, the mastering is a very different process. With the BNs, the ones I have on vinyl are significantly better than the CDs I've owned, and not just the RVG remasters.

    Has anyone got an pre digital ECM recordings for the 80s to do an a/b comparison? Do vinyl issues of the analogue recordings ( Mal Waldren's Free at Last, their first release, which has just been reissued on vinyl) come from the original tapes? It's be interesting to know. I'm sure the answer is on Steve Hoffman's site somewhere but I try to keep a good distance....

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  17. MotelBlues

    MotelBlues pfm Member

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  18. kjb

    kjb pfm Member

    Thanks - that's very interesting. It seems like there are quite a few classics from analogue originals. I wonder if they'll start a remastered edition? Mind you, the ones I have sound pretty good anyway.
  19. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    Ditto. I’ll start by not getting the upcoming Chet Baker release!
  20. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    I remember Later That Evening by Eberhard Weber was one of the first digitally recorded ECM titles, although there was an earlier title that escapes me now also circa 1980. So roughly the first 10 years of ECM are all analogue. I have quite a few from that period on original vinyl with about 10 duplicates on CD.

    Comparing formats from this period both vinyl and CD sound great, and I could live with either, but I generally prefer vinyl. The CD transfers of titles such as Garbarek’s Afric Pepperbird, Sart and Rypdal’s Odyssey sound just a little too clinical to my ears. Perhaps it’s what I’ve got used to. One exception - Eberhard Weber’s The Following Morning - CD all the way. I tried about 3 copies of that on vinyl over the years and couldn’t find one I was happy with. Silence is golden, especially when it’s this quiet.

    I’ve not compared vinyl and CD titles since they went digital.

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