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Trump Part 16

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Yank, Jan 5, 2019.

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  1. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    I'm once again going to resist the limbo stick in nearly every one of you and your OT forum mates' posts (that I'm assuming is conditioning from eating lunch and dinner here) that results in insults in place of reasoned response.

    I knew your reference was a joke. How you can't fathom this I can't fathom. Flat jokes ironically make the best springboards.

    Do you really think this "indian chap" is a mentor who worked to "polish her delivery?" Beyond the fact that if true he's failed miserably, have you taken 5 minutes to educate yourself on the PACs you've quoted above and the sheer number of candidates they're involved with, most of whom were 'nominated' in a process more resembling a USA reality TV show than a structured process with metrics beyond optics? It would appear that, no, obviously you have not. And so it's more headline/video/social media facterbating; every retort an opportunity to finish on someone's head and impress your roomies and stoke the id.

    And since you're wont to lecture on social change -- it's the avatar, doncha know -- could you take a few moments to explain how the erudition automatically bestowed on those of Marx fandom fails to help you ascertain the same old two-party political schtick when it's chewing on your face? I'd find that explanation way more interesting than whether someone under opinion attack got a 'diversity officer' joke.

    Lessor of two evils, perhaps? That's a favorite of mine. I can never quite decide whether it's the cognitive blindspot to the fact both choices equate to an evil, or whether it's so often the liberal (implied superiority) mindset that most frequently champions the concept giving me the most Lulz. But in the end -- that pesky reason thing again -- it's how it conditions those amenable into blind acceptance of a fabricated binary choice as the only choice.

    Or maybe it's the old 'up and coming young star' routine that blinds? Well, you go right ahead choosing youth for youth's sake. I'll take the white-haired doctor with the established practice or the professor with tenure, and maybe even the woman closer my own age than the flibbertigibbet with the comfy cockpit for a mate. Hell, toss the old guy at the hardware store in the bag, the one who not only knows where everything is, but usually knows what you need and how to do the task rather than the young up and comer glued to the stool, transfixed by pixels and parts numbers on his screen.

    tl;dr: she's simply another in a long line of political products chosen on purely superficial grounds. She's not even a very good one. Go watch the Firing Line interview rather than flinging silly personal insults.
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  2. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    Tilting at windmills, Marx, whoever social media touts as the next big thing gains blind acceptance ... and I'm the meme truck. sigh ....
  3. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    I don't know, let's see: Net worth is just shy of $8 million; longtime Clinton and fervent Obama supporter (Wallstreet, MIC, endless wars); really good at dressing down financial (criminal) evil-dooers who practically always walk away unscathed. I'm sure she'll be very popular -- she's a neo-socialist hero!

    A ticket with Cortez as her VP and you'd have Laurel and Hardy in Che's shadow!
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  4. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    It is worthy, and then it isn't. It's obvious to some why it is, but why it isn't is more involved. There's a lot of pseudo-socialist drivel afoot, and what I mean by that is this particular brand of socialism distills to more of the same old tl;dr.

    How else can one explain a Marxism blindly neck deep in support of a Society of the Spectacle and ignorant of its most visible component: the current theater of modern politics?

    You can't. It's all hat no cattle.
  5. Darmok

    Darmok "A Priori Teleology."

    Great retort, thanks for this.

    Not taking part of this discusion per se but, I would like some historic content to the retort as I could use it in another discusion elsewhere.

    Bigger fishes to fry in my world atm, hope you can assist?

    TIA. ;)
  6. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    Might "all hat no cattle' itself be a hat?
  7. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    Don't just sigh, aspire to better things! Share your wisdom, encourage people, begin to make it better!
  8. ian r

    ian r 401's Nakman

    i heard a speech fromaoc on her greendeal.2 stuff..... apparently before all dieing in 2030 we will have sorted all our problems out if we would just believe in politicians to lead us into utopia
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  9. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

  10. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    Let's try to stay on topic. Should be easy since you're conversing with the likes of a "self-obsessed 17 year old nihilist/reductionist" who likes to 'ramble', right?

    So tell us, Comrade, how is Elizabeth Warren's campaign trail battle cry of late, "The game is rigged," not a perfect example of Debord's usage and meaning of the exact same phrase with regards to social Recuperation 60 years ago? Has she not coopted a populist war cry, normalized it, and fed it back to the heaving throngs, better than 90% of whom probably have an underwear stain of her net worth?

    Why should we not cackle out loud at a socialist bearing Marx's image for representation defending a person of obscene wealth conning the plebs to elect her leader of the free world because she is their salvation from this ... 'rigged game'? And so I ask: who's the real reductionist among us?
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  11. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    If it were October in Canada or November in the United States I'd be tempted to write, it ain't cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving.

    But as it's February I won't. Yeah.

  12. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    Jive Turkey says since there's nothing in the Green New Deal about this it's business as usual and carry on.
  13. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod


    That study — Worldwide decline of the entomofauna: A review of its drivers (always best to get it from the source) — was just published in Biological Conservation. It's a bit much to expect that this study travelled back in time to influence drafting of the Green New Deal. (FWIW, I've been banging on about loss of biodiversity for many years before you joined this forum, so while this report is sobering and extremely worrying I can't say I'm surprised by the paper's main findings. I've posted a lot about sixth great extinction and what lopping off entire branches from the tree of life will lead to.)

    I really don't know what your point is. The Democratic contenders for president are imperfect and have failed to mention and have a plan for every existential threat to life on this planet, so let's nitpick them at every opportunity so you can have another four years of Trump and Pence?

    The 2019 Paul R Award for Forum Nitpickery goes to...

  14. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    Imperfect is overly kind in my book. And since you're well versed in Climate Change, I honestly find it inexcusable to so easily forgive the 1st world governmental coverups, going on for several decades in concert with the fossil fuel industry, a coverup that could quite possibly cause horrific suffering on an epic scale.

    The Green New Deal is, in my opinion, looking every bit like an embarrassment to its namesake, with scant lip service to climate change and a lot about giving itself unheard of legislative power.

    I never wrote anything about solving "every existential threat," so that's a red herring. And four more years of Trump and Pence ... the lesser of two evil trope is as old as politics. If people never stand up and complain honestly about such shopworn theater as Lizzie Warren's "Rigged Game" and instead rush to cheer-lead for her version of it, ... well, that's how we got into such a mess.

    And I honestly don't think it's nitpicking to shake my head at how smart people expect something different from a system that gives them absolutely no reason to have that expectation given its history of cronyism, colonialism, corruption and class and wealth shift on a scale unimaginable (USA) since at least the McCarthy era, and probably WW2.

    Give me all the awards and 'Jive Turkey's' you like. Just so it makes you feel good.
  15. Suffolk Tony

    Suffolk Tony pfm Member

    Plot idea: 97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies.
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  16. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod


    When Trump is in the comparison, the lesser of two evils gives new meaning to evil. But if you want to get frothy about Alexandria and Lizzy go for it.

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  17. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    He's well beyond worse than normal, no arguments. But there will always be two evils from which to choose, and only two. Just as Nader found out. And that's the nut of it. I just cannot in good conscience throw support behind anyone within a system spending billions of dollars on an election that both ensures its wealthy backers benefit handsomely while it historically works to everyone else and the world's detriment, albeit slowly. Now please excuse me while I de-bat my person from the swings that missed my opinions with purpose. Ahem.
  18. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod


    I'm not sure why I'm commenting — other than Canadian fascination with American politics — but if the choice were an imperfect Democrat or Trump in 2020, I'd have to go with the imperfect Democrat.

    Ideally, I'd want a candidate who was truly progressive and as clean and as pure as the snow up here, but politics in the U.S. is about often about choosing the least unpalatable option. That's why Republicans have gone with Trump — they're rather have that shit show than any Democrat.

    If it were up to me, I'd take any Democrat over that shit show.

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  19. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    Well, I think it's nice that Mark and Joe speak the same language anyway.
  20. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod


    We're two countries separated by a common language, eh.

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