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Trump Part 9

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Sue Pertwee-Tyr, May 12, 2017.

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  1. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Agreed. The internet far-left apologist stance for Trump/Putin etc is just beyond bonkers IMO. The Republican party are a total disater. Always have been, always will be. I would vote for any Democrat over any Republican in a heartbeat as there is just so much real difference in policy. Trump is the most divisive, obnoxious and ridiculous Republican to date, I just hope he does irreparable damage to the party.
     
  2. maxflinn

    maxflinn Tulsi Gabbard 2020.

    I respectfully suggest that what the left needs to be doing is supporting Bernie Sanders and the Justice Democrats. Otherwise - if the current crop of right-wing political prostitutes masquerading as progressives are still in charge - Trump will win again in 2020, and if by some miracle he does not, progressives lose anyway as Republican lite will have won.
     
  3. maxflinn

    maxflinn Tulsi Gabbard 2020.

    What the fu** is the "internet far left apologist stance for Trump and Putin"??

    Who are these people? Where can I find info on them?
     
  4. Still

    Still beware of the duck

    Your other suggestions have been disrespectful?

    Might there be a video on Youtube?
     
  5. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    I found a couple of articles in today's New York Times worrisome:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/opinion/donald-trump-democrats-better-deal.html?ref=opinion

    Trump is clearly a thin-skinned, impulsive narcissist with the attention span of a gnat, but he's not a complete fool. He clearly knows on which side his bread is buttered and he caters to that side. Perhaps he really could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it. The respectable press might moan and groan about him, but they have no influence on the Faux News-loving folk out there in Redland - indeed they are seen as the enemy in the way of progress.

    I think the USA is going to take a very long time to recover from Trumpism.
     
  6. maxflinn

    maxflinn Tulsi Gabbard 2020.

    Jimmy Dore on Kamala Harris, who I believe Matthew thinks highly of.

    Well according to Jimmy and his Co-presenters she's just ""another"" corporate shill.

    https://youtu.be/8K3tpJ-usP8
     
  7. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    I like Bernie Sanders and think he would do a world of good for the ol' U.S. of eh, but the likelihood of him winning a presidential election is slim to none. The second he would become a candidate is the second the right-wing noise machine would destroy him.

    Joe
     
  8. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    Start with a mirror...
     
  9. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    The same was said regarding Corbyn. I accept that the US' machine is not the same as the UK's, but the latter is no picnic.
     
  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    No front-facing camera on your tablet?
     
  11. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Sean,

    I've lived next door to the US for my entire life, apart from 5.5 years when I lived in the US.

    It has pockets of liberalism and progressiveness in line with Bernie's views, but the nation as a whole would not support him as president. Any country that would elect Ronnie Reagan twice, George Bush junior twice and Trump once will not suddenly veer left.

    Joe
     
  12. maxflinn

    maxflinn Tulsi Gabbard 2020.

    Joe, according to polling - cross-party polling - the US electorate want single payer healthcare.

    They want a living minimum wage.

    They want an end to the wars.

    They want free college tuition.

    Getting money out of politics.

    Bernie Sanders stands for all these things (though he could be more committed to the ending the wars bit)

    Whether you know it or not he's recently been giving speeches to large audiences in various red states.

    He's currently the most popular politician in the US by far.

    Slim to none? I would say "if" he had the support of the DNC he would win.

    Anyway, there are others like Tulsi Gabbard who I personally would love to see as President.

    The point I continually make on here is that if the corporate Democrats remain in charge then aside from them likely losing, they would not stand for any of these things.

    The people need these things. They want them. They don't have the time for bull shit incremental improvements on social issues etc while inequality and poverty continue to spiral.

    All the problems that were there before Trump need addressing, and these corporate Democrats won't do it. So while they may be considered better than Trump they're still no good, and just because they oppose him (apart from when he drops bombs!) Doesn't mean people should support them, IMO.

    Boot the Bastards out I say. And vote in people who want to serve the people rather than their donors. Otherwise it's just as you were before Trump, and for too many people that is just no good.
     
  13. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Joe, you'd be surprised. The UK elected Thatcher no less than three times, and Corbyn is certainly going to be the next PM. Things are volatile all over.
     
  14. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Dudes,

    I'd be thrilled if a real progressive were elected, but history suggests otherwise. Bernie would be considered left-of-centre in Canada and even we've never elected anyone that left. To think he would be elected in the U.S. is a big fat reefer dream, man.

    The only hope I see is if the U.S. were to split into two countries, basically the heartland and the south as one nation and bits of the east and west coast as the other. It would be an interesting experiment, as the east and west coast are, by and large, the powerhouse states.

    Joe
     
  15. maxflinn

    maxflinn Tulsi Gabbard 2020.

    We will have to agree to disagree Joe. But bare in mind what the majority want. It certainly isn't business as usual...
     
  16. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Max,

    If Bernie could have delivered a resounding victory the Dems would have been all over him, just like how the Republicans are all over Trump now.

    The key to power and change is actually being in office.

    Joe
     
  17. maxflinn

    maxflinn Tulsi Gabbard 2020.

    Sorry Joe but I don't understand.
     
  18. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Max,

    If you want to hold the reins of power you have to be in power. If Bernie could have secured a Dem victory, as you seem assured he would, Bernie would have been the candidate who emerged unchallenged from the primaries way back when.

    Joe
     
  19. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

    Too many of them enjoy totin' their guns for that pinko, commie, boorjwah nonsense to succeed.
     
  20. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    Max, you sometimes write as if you're the only person here who wants a decent progressive vision for the USA. That's patently not true. I would love to see a rejuvenated Democrat Party offering a genuine alternative to the electorate which included universal basic health care funded by taxation.

    However, "incremental bullshit" is all that was on offer last November and, given the alternative nightmarish far-right wannabe dictator that is Trump, that was clearly the best choice.

    I don't want to rehash old arguments but here's a thought experiment for you: given what you now know about Trump do you still see him as the lesser of two evils, compared with Clinton? Bear in mind that Trump is as eager as any President I can remember to involve the US in military action (in entirely new theatres of war too - N Korea, Venezuela... anywhere appears to be fair game).

    It's a hypothetical question but maybe you'll humour me with a short answer. No need for a long rant about how corrupt the current Democrats are - we get that.
     
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