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Under cabinet lighting

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Bob McC, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    can I get the benefit of the PFM massive and ask for advice on under cabinet lighting for a kitchen.

    I suppose LEDs are the thing but strips, individual, mains, low voltage.

    Presume I know nothing.
     
  2. Hungry Halibut

    Hungry Halibut pfm Member

    When we had our kitchen done we had LED tape lights. They give a nice even light. They have a transformer box and a starter thing, both of which sit on top of the cabinet, and a 12v wire then goes down behind to the strip itself.
     
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  3. garyi

    garyi leave blank

    Screw fix sell led strip ones by LAP I am pleased with them
     
  4. k90tour

    k90tour pfm Member

    Tape for even, back or front lit lighting. Use individual lights if you want objects highlighted. Tape is usually 24V and runs from a remote power supply, which can be a long way away if that suits. Dimming by 1-10V signal cable back to the wall switch or controller. Individual lights are usually run by a driver or drivers and wired in series if they are low power.
    Tape is easy to install. You may want an aluminium extrusion with a cover to protect the LEDs. There are loads of profiles available. Some are angled at 45 deg so you can light from the front and aim at the back.
    Be warned, if you are used to halogen colour, avoid cheap LEDs. Wooden worktops may appear greenish. Colour rendering is often appalling.
     
  5. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

  6. k90tour

    k90tour pfm Member

  7. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    If anything, this thread proves that development of low voltage, low consumption LED based lighting tech is moving very fast.

    FWIW, my year old new kitchen is quite small and is amply served by half a dozen LED ceiling spots and a similar number of 'under cupboard' LED lights.
    I'll probably change this in a couple of years as things get better and cheaper, but really I won't be losing any sleep over it.
     
  8. patcmbll

    patcmbll Member

    LED tape is best. Fitted in an extrusion with a diffuser. Ledhut as mentioned earlier is a good source.
    I would stick to warm white (3000K) as the higher Kelvin ones are a bit harsh. Something around 10 watts/metre.
    Also I would stick to 12v as you get a better choice of driver. Get a nice metal enclosed one.
    The tape will come with tails attached. You can cut the tape to length and solder tails on to the remainder bits very easily for other runs.
    The driver can sit on top of the cupboards.
    You can just put a plug on it and switch off like that or hard wire with a switch.
     
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  9. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Thanks.
    The type of light and kelvin rating is just the sort of info I was after, as were the sources.
     
  10. blossomchris

    blossomchris I feel better than James Brown

    Set the worktops on fire

    Bloss
     
  11. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    I think the colder temperatures are much nicer, my eyes prefer them. I agree WRT 12v ones - the 5m 72w tape I linked to earlier with a 80w supply is great. You can cut the tapes and use special connectors to run wire between each unit.
     
  12. Colinb

    Colinb pfm Member

    I have just finished doing this in our new kitchen. The colder temperatures did indeed look best. I used led tape for floor level lighting between the cupboard doors and plinth and individual task lights under the wall cupboards to illuminate the work surface and inside glass fronted cupboards. We have 2 separate circuits for dimmable ceiling leds in different parts of the kitchen and pendants over the island and table. The pendants are Phillips hue ambient white so we can alter the light balance and all eight circuits can be switched from a main switch plate. A lot of work but the entire room was gutted for the refit so I took the opportunity to do it all and install KEF in ceiling speakers commected to the main system at the same time. The lighting has made such a difference and we spend so much more time in there now.
     
  13. colinp

    colinp pfm Member

    Colour temperature is obviously subjective. We felt that cool white made it look like a morgue.
     
  14. misterdog

    misterdog Not the canine kind

    Depends on the kitchen you have, some like the 'morgue look' with high gloss on a flat panel doors so you can be paranoid about every fingerprint.

    I have clients who have fitted such into 19/20 C. farmhouses then realised the error of their ways and had me rip it out and install something more sympathetic.

    If you have natural woods then a warmer colour temperature is more suited. IMO.
     
  15. colinp

    colinp pfm Member

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    I bought the LED strip and aluminium extrusion separately and used a touch sensitive switch/dimmer I found on eBay.
    I also put ceiling speakers in, connected to a Squeezebox media player controlled from a smartphone.
     
  16. cjarchez

    cjarchez pfm Member

    A family member recently used tape LED lighting in their kitchen refit. All as described above plus a remote control to change colour at will. Most useful IMO were the cool white and warm white settings, added to the brightness adjustment.
    Has everything covered.
     
  17. Derek Wright

    Derek Wright pfm Member

    You can get LED replacement tubees to replace the flourescent tubes. So reduce the running costs.
     
  18. Tarzan

    Tarzan pfm Member

    x2
     
  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’m always confused by what people actually have under cabinets that needs lighting.
     
  20. cutting42

    cutting42 Heading to Fish Hacker Erg \o/

    Working area for chopping, toasting, making tea, filleting fish etc etc
     

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