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Vast Brexit thread merge part I

Discussion in 'off topic' started by russel, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Well, three years ago we hadn't had a PM shut down parliament, frame an election as parliament versus the people (i.e. him), and a cabinet minister imply that the judiciary were politically motivated.

    I used to be highly sceptical about the UK being on the road to being a fascist state. I still am, but we only if we nip this in the bud. These are very dangerous times.

    To answer your original question, people will only believe that there's a problem when they have to queue for fuel and the supermarket shelves are empty. Even then there'll be someone else to blame.
     
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  2. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    Why would drugs companies not be allowed to sell and transport drugs to the UK? Wild threats such as this discredit real problems we will face.
     
  3. zarniwoop

    zarniwoop hoopy frood

    Nobody has suggested they wouldn’t be allowed but if supply chains are disrupted by queuing at the ports caused by new procedures there would be a shortage.
     
  4. Colin L

    Colin L pfm Member

    CB, All the real problems we face are created within the UK. Brexit is the result of a decades long right wing project to blame our ills on the EU and not the old, rich, white guys and gals that own the country and run it for their benefit.

    The tories trying to drag us out before the EU requires them to reveal their overseas assets is not a coincidence.
     
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  5. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    You've not read the Yellowhammer report, have you? It's only short, and it's linked to from the previous page on this thread. How about you read it, then ask any questions you might have, rather than clogging up this thread with questions you could easily answer for yourself.
     
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  6. myles

    myles Intentionally left blank

    I don't know, risk assessments are there to be updated when more information is available. The credibility of that information might be in question however.
     
  7. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    Is it not more of a worry that the speaker took control of parliament from the government?
    The EU political wing may prescribe self harm in a bid to teach the UK a lesson but trade self interest will prevail.
     
  8. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    Parliament should be supreme, it certainly has power over government. If you don't understand that, that probably explains why you don't understand why many of us think Bercow has been a hero in all this, in insisting Parliament fulfils the role government would prefer to shut it out of.
     
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  9. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    The quality of UKIP leafleting is not strained. Wetherspoons might be converted but Nigel & Co need a thick skinned shill on pfm. It’s like Groundhog Day where you open the front door to the same JW with the same script for eternity.
     
  10. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    You forgot the other marker - housing. When this causes a decline in housing costs, especially if it hits the SE outside London, there will be hell to pay. Housing is the sacred cow of the UK economy, we all think we understand it but we don't, and we all want affordable housing without seeing the value of our own house fall.
     
  11. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    That is the point an unelected government set the agenda and passed laws.
     
  12. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    Apologies, my post was written in haste and should have said that the reasoning for using that as an excuse not to have a second ref, instead it was written as if I were saying what you said wasn't logical.
     
  13. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Wetherspoons converted? Surely not, don't say that he's changed sides or said "maybe we need a bit more time" .
     
  14. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Firstly there's no 'unelected government', secondly it's always been possible for the opposition to propose legislation and get it passed through parliament.
     
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  15. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Evidence.
     
  16. tuga

    tuga European

    The thing is that her point of view is evidence-based.

    She is representing her constituents' best interests by voting against their self-harming wishes.

    Unless you believe that the majority of the general public knows better...
    I guess this depends on where you live but would you form a government with the blokes who hang around the pub in the corner?
     
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  17. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    No. We have Parliamentary Sovereignty, not Government Sovereignty. Currently we don’t even have a govt majority. The speaker is protecting parliament from overmighty, undemocratic, bullying
     
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  18. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Exactly. The speaker is there to ensure that procedure is followed. This is the means by which we stop a minority government from just doing as it pleases without getting majority consent.
     
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  19. clivem2

    clivem2 pfm Member

    WTO tariffs...I'm been trying to work how these are levied. is thre %age levied on:

    - the UK list price
    - the UK invoice price to the customer (unlikely)
    - the transfer value / cost price (eg value charged by vehicle OEM to UK distributor)

    The reason I've asked is that I've just ordered new car with a get out clause should the price rise. Should the 10% WTO trariff be levied on what basis is it charged? I've looked at various documents but can't find this being specified.
     
  20. stephen bennett

    stephen bennett Mr Enigma

    They can. That’s not the point. Unless we sort out regulations there’ll be holdups. There’ll be holdups at ports too and many drugs have short shelf lives. It’s the disruption that will be the issue not trade per se.

    The media concentrate on trade but it’s regulation that’s the real issue. Its amazing everyone talks about the tiny fishing industry but not about the huge finance and service sectors that will be really hit by any kind of Brexit.

    Anyhow we’ll find out if Johnson pushes us to no deal.

    Stephen
     
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