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Vast Brexit thread merge part I

Discussion in 'off topic' started by russel, Sep 9, 2019.

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  1. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    Brexit fundamentalists is an excellent name for the leave faction.
     
  2. maxflinn

    maxflinn Bernie Sanders 2020.

    OK, technically you may be right, but even so I think the courts would have to factor in the promises made, the huge emotional investment of the public in such a divisive issue, and the need to portray to the public that their votes count when they're told they count.

    If so I still think there's little chance even a majority LD government would be able to revoke article 50 based on an election pledge, if elected.

    But it is irrelevant as we know they can't win a majority (thankfully, from my point of view).
     
  3. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    For the same reason we subsidise south wales, tyneside, etc. In the short term it alleviates problems and in the long run it makes us better off by growing the overall economy (because it's not zero sum).
     
  4. Colin Barron

    Colin Barron pfm Member

    It is not the same they are part of our United Kingdom.
     
  5. tuga

    tuga European

    There are many types of Brexit. Ironically, Remain means Remain.
     
  6. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

  7. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    But there are many types of Remainer. This is not a matter of controversy!
     
  8. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    No, IMHO it wouldn’t. The court would be guided by what the law says, not by what politicians claim.

    Remember, the recent challenge to the prorogation of Parliament, in the English High Court, failed because the court decided the decision to prorogue was a political one, and therefore it had no jurisdiction. (The Scottish challenge went the other way because the court disagreed with that analysis. The Supreme Court will referee this tomorrow).
     
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  9. HairyHaggis

    HairyHaggis <((((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸.•´¯`•...¸><((((º>¸.


    ... Errr, could I state the obvious here? Or would it be pointless I wonder...?
     
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  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    They are all right though!
     
  11. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    You'd think! In my experience most of the regular contributors to this thread absolutely will not countenance the idea.
     
  12. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    And maybe the EU court after that...
     
  13. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    That assumes the present government really prefers no deal to some deal. Are they that depraved?
     
  14. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    Rather less than 17m by now I’d imagine. Hence the desperation to avoid a 2nd referendum.
     
  15. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Predictably the usual suspects, the Torygraph and Express are are all hands to the pumps, spraying synthetic outrage that World King has been insulted by Europe ( or as another Tory put it- the PM of a country population 650,000). If they’re concerned about Boris being humiliated, they should listen to what Jonathan Sumption, the retired Supreme Court Justice said about Johnson’s character tonight. He didnt mince his words.
     
  16. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    Who was he calling a chicken the other week?
     
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  17. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    Yes but is that true in the case of an advisory referendum?
     
  18. zarniwoop

    zarniwoop hoopy frood

    No, it’s not. We had an advisory referendum plus a govt pledge to implement the result. If the govt had decided not to implement the result there would be no legal way to force them; it would just be another broken political promise. For that reason any govt who could get a bill through Parliament to cancel A50 would be behaving legally.
     
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  19. rbrown

    rbrown I think therefore I think I am

    Yep that’s how I see it
     
  20. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    No - there are many reasons for remain, if you wish to use these to differentiate between remainers.
    But really, anything other than remain isn't in fact remain, is it?
     
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