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What's your Mahler Cycle?

Discussion in 'classical' started by windhoek, Feb 25, 2015.

  1. windhoek

    windhoek The Phoolosopher

    I'm in the process of compiling a Mahler cycle and have got Symphonies 2 and 4 and have a few of the others on loan from a friend: fwiw, Michael Tilson Thomas M1, M2, M3 and M4. Although I already have M2 (Mehta/ Berlin PO), yesterday I ordered a copy of the Grammy nominated (for best surround sound album) Benjamin Zander M2 and look forward to hearing the m/c mix. Whether it's a proper discrete m/c mix remains to be seen, but I look forward to hearing it in surround sound regardless, albeit it in 4.0 as per my speaker setup.

    Anyway, here's what I've got so far.

    M2: (Stereo) Mehta, Berlin PO (SHM-SACD) / (m/c) Benjamin Zander (SACD)
    M4: Reiner, Chicago SO

    What's your Mahler Curation (single conductor/orchestra or otherwise)?
     
  2. mjw

    mjw pfm Member

    I'm a fan but never bought a single performer cycle.
    1 - Solti
    1- Maazel
    2 - Rattle and CBSO
    2 - Jonathan Nott
    2 - Klemperer on EMI
    3 - Rattle and CBSO
    3 - Jonathan Nott
    3 - Tennstedt EMI
    4 - ditto
    4 - Wit on Naxos
    4 - Szell
    5 - Rattle - BPO
    5 - Barbirolli
    6 - Wit on Naxos
    7 - Abbado
    8 - Solti
    8 - Tennstedt
    9 - von Karajan
    9 - Bernstein
    10 - Zander on Denon
    10 - Rattle Bournemouth SO.

    If I had to pick one Mahlerian it would have to be Rattle. Once saw him conduct 2nd without a score - gobsmacking.
     
  3. soileduk

    soileduk pfm Member

    For Mahler's Symphony No1 I have…
    BBCSO/Honeck
    Wiener Phil./Kletzki
    SdBR/Kubelik
    Concertgebouw /Bernstein
    Concertgebouw /Bernstein (live)
    Concertgebouw /Jansons
    CBSO/Rattle
    Columbia Symphony /Walter
    LSO/Horenstein
    NY Phil/Bernstein
    BFO/Fischer
     
  4. sls4321

    sls4321 pfm Member

    There is a huge emotional connection with Mahler, so my choice is related to live performance, which would be Tennstedt overall. I also heard Solti do 1 and 9, superb, and a Haitink/Concertgebouw Das Lied von der Erde at the Proms was memorable.

    The Barbirolli 5 is a classic for any collection, not least for the acoustic quality.

    I enjoy the dynamics of the Bernstein set.
     
  5. kasperhauser

    kasperhauser pfm Member

    Although I'm not sure what constitutes a Mahler cycle (checked wikipedia - still not sure), here's what I have:

    Symphony No. 1 – Boult / London Philharmonic Orchestra (Everest 3005 vinyl)
    Symphony No. 2 – Klemperer / Ferrier / Vincent ("Historic 1951 Holland Festival Performance"; IGI-374 vinyl)
    Symphonies No. 2 and No. 3 – Bernstein / New York Philharmonic (Columbia Masterworks M4X-31432 vinyl box set)
    Symphony No. 4 – Kletzki / The Philharmonia Orchestra (Seraphim S-60105 vinyl)
    Symphony No. 6 – Abbado / Chicago Symphony Orchestra (Deutsche Grammophon 2707-117 vinyl)
    Symphony No. 7 – Bernstein / New York Philharmonic (Columbia Masterworks M2S-739 vinyl)
    Symphony No. 9 – Kondrashin / Moscow Philharmonic Orchestra (Melodiya SIB-6029 vinyl)
    Symphony No. 9 – Solti / Chicago Symphony Orchestra (London LDR-72012 vinyl)
    Symphony No. 10 – Rattle / Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra (Angel DSB-3909 vinyl)
    Das Lied Von Der Erde – Walter / Miller / Häflinger / New York Philharmonic (Columbia/Odyssey Y-30043 vinyl)
     
  6. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

  7. Willie Eckerslyke

    Willie Eckerslyke Occasional Optimist

    Well.....
    1 - Walter, Tennstedt
    2 - Abbado, Klemperer x2 (Ferrier & Schwarzkopf), Solti, Rattle, Walter
    3 - Levine, Tennstedt
    4 - Szell, Klemperer, Karajan, Abbado
    5 - Barbirolli, Tennstedt, Rattle, Solti
    6 - Barbirolli, Karajan
    7 - Tennstedt, Haitink
    8 - Solti, Tennstedt
    9 - Barbirolli, Karajan, Tennstedt, Walter, Klemperer
    10 - Rattle
    Das Lied - Haitink, Walter, Karajan

    All on vinyl, and maybe only 1 or 2 that I could part with....
     
  8. herb

    herb music live

    My CD stash is:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gustav-Mahl...424893522&sr=8-1&keywords=mahler+complete+box

    Rattle/Furtwangler/Giulini/Klemperer/Tennstedt/Walter/Barbirolli etc

    +

    1/2 Solti LSO
    4 Karajan Berliner Phil
    5 Abbado Chicago SO + Karajan Berliner Phil
    6 Abbado Berliner Phil + Karajan Berliner Phil + Jansons LSO
    7 Abbado Chicago SO
    Das Lied von de Erde Boulez Wiener Phil

    To be honest the big box does it for me normally
     
  9. F1eng

    F1eng pfm Member

    If I were to go for only one set I would probably go for the Rattle EMI box, both the sound and performances are splendid. Having said that, I have quite a few Mahler recordings, I have starred favourites:-

    Symphony 1
    Zdenek Slovak PO
    Abbado/Chicago
    Inbal /Frankfurt Radio Orchestra
    Simonov/RPO
    Rattle/CBSO

    Symphony 2
    Klemperer/Concertgebouw
    Sinopoli/Philharmonia Orchester
    Kaplan/Vienna Phil
    Kaplan/LSO ***
    Rattle/CBSO

    Symphony 3
    Boulez/Vienna
    Solti/Chicago
    Rattle/CBSO

    Symphony 4
    Walter/New York PO
    Wit/Polish National
    Solti/Chicago
    Rattle/CBSO
    Reiner/Chicago

    Symphony 5
    Sinopoli/Philharmonia
    Rattle/Berlin
    Tennstedt/LPO live ***
    Tennstedt/LPO studio
    Otaka/BBC Welsh
    Jårvi/Scottish National
    Abbado/Berlin

    Symphony 6
    Boulez/Vienna
    Karajan/Berlin
    Inbal/Frankfurt Radio
    Rattle/CBSO

    Symphony 7
    Inbal/Frankfurt Radio
    Solti/Chicago

    Symphony 8
    Solti/Chicago
    Rattle/CBSO

    Symphony 9
    Solti Chicago
    Rattle/Vienna

    Song of the Earth
    Reiner/Chicago ***
    Walter/New York Phil
    Walter/Vienna/Ferrier/Patzak *****
    Krips/Vienna
    Bernstein/Vienna

    I have about 50 LPs as well, and maybe box sets I have forgotten, the Rattle is the most recent.
    The Mahler 6th LP with Berrnstein/New York has a 4th side fill in with talking about Mahler from old orchestra members who had worked under Mahler himself. Priceless
    When I first heard a Rattle Mahler recording it didn't hit the spot, but it does now.
    Strange thing,getting older.

    The only thing we can never know is how much more we still have to learn
     
  10. Willie Eckerslyke

    Willie Eckerslyke Occasional Optimist

    How true!

    "The more I learn, the less I realise I know."
     
  11. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I've got two cycles, Haitink on Philips vinyl, and Tennstedt on CD. The Haitink was my introduction and I like it very much. I've not spent enough time with the Tennstedt, need to dig it out for a spin.
     
  12. EIffel

    EIffel Cereal Killer

    Not a full cycle, but for Das Lied/Kindertotenlieders, Walter/Ferrier is hard to beat even if technically the recording is old.

    Imbal S3 is interesting... but one needs to be careful about pre-emphasis (Japanese Denon CD import)
     
  13. lennyw

    lennyw Still throwing Eephus pitches

    You can't go much wrong with the Abbado recordings.
    The MTT ones are wonderfully recorded, though of varying success performance wise, No.6 being special, I guess because of its recording date (14 Spet 2001 iirc).
     
  14. irons1965

    irons1965 pfm Member

    Solti/CSO (Complete Cycle)

    Symphony 1- Haitink/BPO (Philips)

    Symphony 5- Sinopoli/Philharmonia (DG)
    - Bernstein/VPO (DG)
    - Barbirolli/NPO (EMI)

    Symphony 6- Sinopoli/Philharmonia (DG)

    Symphony 10- Rattle/BPO


    I used to own the Kubelik boxed cycle but it was lost in a burglary....:mad:
     
  15. formbypc

    formbypc pfm Member

    Anyone who listens to Mahler 2 should listen to Kaplan's versions.

    As a conductor who ONLY conducts Mahler 2, rather than Mahler this week, Schubert the next, Tchaikovsky the week after.....
     
  16. F1eng

    F1eng pfm Member

    I quite agree. I was prepared to be underwhelmed but in fact he knows the score (I believe he owns the original) better than anybody and gets great perormances from the orchestra.
     
  17. mmaatt

    mmaatt pfm Member

    I've always liked Solti for 2 and 8, which are also outstanding Decca recordings.
    I like Karajan for 6, James Levine for 4 and Tennstedt for most of the rest (including 2 and 8). Lastly for his unnumbered symphony Das lied Von Der Erde I like Klemperer. (not Barbirolli - I misremembered)

    All of this I have on vinyl plus some Haitink and Rattle, the latter I don't care for at all.

    mat
     
  18. gustavm

    gustavm pfm Member

    I have multiple recordings of all the symphonies. Some outright recommendations:

    4 & 6: Szell
    9: Barbirolli
    Das Lied: Haitink with Janet Baker/James King
     
  19. Gerontius

    Gerontius Forever dreaming...

    Tennstedt's cycle is my favourite, but the Chicago performance of No 1 is better than the LPO.

    Klemperer's 2, 4, 9 and Das Lied are outstanding.

    So is Solti's 8, but his others IMHO are overblown.

    In contrast I find Haitink's performances to be understated, even dull.
     
  20. adamdea

    adamdea pfm Member

    I agree with that up to a point about his studio recordings, but his studio 9th is superb. Live, however Haitink is IMHO one of the really great Mahlerians , and his sense of structure holds things together. The live Philips Dutch Masters near-cycle of Christmas Day concerts is absolutely brilliant (except I don't like the 2nd) and popular with aficionados/obscurantists

    http://www.mahlerreviews.com/mahler_box_haitink_christmas_philips.html
     

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