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Young Dave vs Benjamin Netanyahu.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by maxflinn, Feb 27, 2016.

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  1. doctorf

    doctorf left footed right winger

  2. Greg

    Greg 2t5b

  3. droodzilla

    droodzilla pfm Member

    Indeed. I'm no apologist for Hamas. But there appear to be plenty of apologists for the excesses of Israel's policy on this thread who are unwilling to engage in reasonable debate. I've asked twice why the C4 fact-checker page is a "whitewash" for Hamas, and the silence is deafening.
  4. maxflinn

    maxflinn pfm Member

    Ramadan 2016: Israel 'cuts off water supply to West Bank' during Muslim holy month - Independant

    Israel has cut off the water supply to large areas of the West Bank, Palestinian authorities have claimed.

    Tens of thousands of Palestinians have reportedly been left without access to safe drinking water during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, a period of fasting, at a time when temperatures can exceed 35C.

    ''"Israel already allows Palestinians access to only a fraction of the shared water resources in the occupied West Bank, with unlawful Israeli settlements getting almost unlimited water supplies which enable settlers to maintain lush gardens and even fill up numerous private swimming pools.''
  5. JonR

    JonR Brainwashed Bloke

    Err...not quite, Max.

    Contrary to Indy charge, Israel INCREASED water supply to Palestinians during Ramadan (Updated)

    From the link:


  6. mikemusic

    mikemusic pfm Member

    Thanks Jon

    I'd like to see Aljazeera publish that or have some extra info- to confirm to me they are unbiased
  7. maxflinn

    maxflinn pfm Member

    You and Jon might want to watch this:

    It explains that illegal Jewish settlers get five times the amount of the Palestinian water that the Palestinians do, and that even a 50% cut to both means not enough to survive for the Palestinians, while the illegal Jews still have plenty:

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  8. ariegur

    ariegur pfm Member

    being more accurate is better. The vid doesn't tell that Israel cuts water supply. The vid tells that the Palestinian's authority claims this. I don't see in the vid itself someone that speaks in the name of the Palestinian's authority.

    Max, please notice that they claim that there is not cut of water to the settlements as the Palestinians who are working in the settlements tell. Think of these workers when you boycott Israel.

  9. maxflinn

    maxflinn pfm Member

    Arye the claim is that the Palestinians are only given 20% of the water that the illegal settlers get allocated to them.

    Hence they get very little in comparison and an equal cut to both, as Jon claimed happened, means not enough for the Palestinians but enough for the settlers.
  10. ariegur

    ariegur pfm Member


    As a citizen of Israel who reads each day several reports that are written by the extreme left in Israel and as a person who is listening to news on radio and watching TV - no way that Israel does so these days and I hear nothing about it.

    You are spreading time after time anti Israel propaganda with questionable sources.

  11. JonR

    JonR Brainwashed Bloke

    Russia Today, Max?

  12. SteveT

    SteveT pfm Member

    The BBC reports - Gaza Strip: Hamas executes three as death penalty resumes.
    Hamas did not seek the approval of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, as required under Palestinian law.

    It underscores the continuing divisions between the main Palestinian factions.

    "The deep flaws in the Gaza Strip's justice system, with repeated reports pointing to the widespread use of torture, make today's executions particularly egregious," Amnesty said in a statement.

    In February, Hamas' military wing executed one of its commanders "for behavioural and moral violations". Mahmoud Eshtewi was accused of theft and of having sex with another man, the New York Times reported.

    The UN has expressed alarm after Hamas said it intended to implement a number of death sentences in Gaza, where the Palestinian Islamist group is dominant.

    The UN envoy for the Middle East peace process, Nickolay Mladenov, said he had serious doubts as to whether capital trials there met fair trial standards.
  13. Simon Vess

    Simon Vess pfm Member

    I know a fair number of Israelis, of different ages, and I think I can safely say that (given the history of Britain's duplicitous foreign policy over the last couple of hundred years, especially the 20th century) the pontificating by British leaders on matters Israeli is treated as, at best, irrelevant, and in more general terms, with the derision and contempt it deserves, and rightly so imo

  14. Simon Vess

    Simon Vess pfm Member

    Why is it inconceivable?

  15. PaulMB

    PaulMB pfm Member

    You have to understand that the British have suffered. First they lost an empire, then they discovered they were no longer a world power, then they realised that if they "banned the bomb" or not, nobody could care less, and then their self-defined compensatory role as "policemen of the world" proved to be a farce.
    So they have this tendency to adopt an attitude of moral superiority towards other peoples. I've even heard Brits seriously criticising the Italian laws for game shooting, since they allow anyone to shoot game instead of only the rich. Funny people, the Brits, but they can be loveable and cuddly.
  16. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    Well I guess if aliens take out America and Europe, its a possibility.
  17. Simon Vess

    Simon Vess pfm Member


  18. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    What about the criticism by former Israeli leaders and serving generals then Simon?

    Still something to pour scorn on or is there the possibility that the right wing in Israel is out of control and approaching fascist?
  19. PaulMB

    PaulMB pfm Member

    It is definitely disturbing when the military are more liberal and democratic than the civilian government. We have seen this also in Turkey and Egypt, of course, and for me it is very sad and depressing to see it in Israel, which was once a model of democracy and humane socialism.
  20. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.


    I appreciate that the subject is verboten on PFM but it's surely come to something when the military itself is being so undermined through hawkish appointments and extreme right wing policies that it feels the need to speak out in defence of the Zionist project?
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